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Two sides to every story 10 Nov 2018 09:39 #10933

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Don’t buy the establishment’s outrage. Real journalism is their enemy.

Following Donald Trump’s shameful bullying of CNN reporter Jim Acosta, the BBC‘s Nick Robinson called it an attack on “journalists everywhere”:

That’s true: we must show solidarity with all journalists in the face of attacks on fundamental press freedoms.

Trump went on to make up accusations that Acosta ‘placed his hands’ on a young female White House staffer. And then the president revoked his press pass. All of Trump’s actions here are wrong and dangerous.

However, our solidarity should include Acosta – not end with him.
The establishment’s demonisation of groundbreaking journalism

Julian Assange, for example, is the founder of a publication that has won almost 20 prestigious journalistic awards. But he could end up facing the death penalty under the US Espionage Act simply for exposing the actions of the powerful.

The actions of the corporate media on this matter, meanwhile, have been revealing. Outlets like the BBC and the Guardian in particular have actively engaged in what amounts to a disinformation campaign against Assange and WikiLeaks. It doesn’t seem to matter that a UN panel has ruled that the UK government has been arbitrarily detaining Assange and depriving him of his freedom.
Bombing hundreds of TV and radio stations

There are many others signs that Robinson-esque ‘solidarity’ only applies to a certain kind of journalist. Recently, for example, Saudi Arabia allegedly murdered Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi. And as with CNN‘s Acosta, there was widespread establishment outrage. Too right: a hit squad reportedly tortured, murdered and then dismembered Khashoggi (not necessarily in that order) in a Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

But that same Saudi Arabian regime is conducting a genocidal war against Yemen. And the brutal dictatorship has bombarded over 200 TV and radio stations, destroyed newspaper headquarters and killed several journalists. Yet the outrage is nowhere to be seen.

NATO ally Turkey, meanwhile, has been found guilty of war crimes against Kurdish civilians. Reporters Without Borders call the country “the world’s biggest prison for professional journalists”. And its current regime has shut down at least 180 media outlets. Yet we don’t see wall-to-wall coverage about that in the West’s establishment media.

www.thecanary.co/opinion/2018/11/09/dont-buy-the-establishments-outrage-real-journalism-is-their-enemy/

This piece should be re titled to "don't buy the fake media's fake outrage and CNN are the enemy of journalism" this story is laughable to me the way they try and compare jim acosta to Julian Asange a very real hero to the people for the corruption he has exposed as well as comparing him to brave journalists working in war torn country's under real threat of death... seriously I was laughing so hard at that :woohoo:
Hear is a video of the press conference see for yourself how inappropriately this journalist acted even though trump didn't want to speak to him he answers not 1 or even 2 of his question but 3 and this man just wouldn't give up the mic struggled with an intern to keep hold of the mic and even when it was taken from him he continued to shout questions at the president in an extremely disrespectful manner and was preventing trump from answering other journalists questions.



and here is an interesting you tubers criticism of the event including CNN's own footage witch is very damning for Jim Acosta and exposes the whole narrative as just more orange man bad fake outrage



trump is right to call them fake news they have been exposed many times for there underhanded way of reporting things in a one sided manner and ignoreing facts don lemon is a race baiting racist they cut there guests off when they go against the narrative they fake story and interview there own camera men they routinely reverse there position on things based on what trump says like the true hypocrites they are

The one thing this article got right is to say that REAL journalism is the enemy of the establishment but CNN is not a reliable news service you know there's a problem when thousands of Americans in a trump rally are chanting "tell the truth" at a CNN reporter I highly recommend you get on you tube and spend an afternoon laughing at the CNN fake news compilation videos out there showing them setting up fake protests and cutting off there guests ect
CNN is the enemy of journalism there well exposed fake news tactics are bringing all journalism in to doubt and could very well lead to laws that truly will restrict the freedom of the press witch no one wants to see happen.
The real irony here is that CNN are the ones who started the phrase fake news to describe alternative media on the internet on you tube and face book ect now I get a good laugh every time they do something stupid and the alternate media tear them a new ase :P
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Two sides to every story 10 Nov 2018 11:34 #10943

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I saw Trumps press interview the other evening on the BBC news channel and the Acosta attack as it happened. I watched Trump take questions from various journalists and each time he took a question he didn`t approve of, he replied to the journalist that they were either `stupid` or answered in a work around way or would start ranting that this was all lies, or he could `sack` everyone if he chose to do so. This man is either very good at his job, or he`s seriously deranged with his power hold. It`s all very well holding his ground against the people marching towards the US border, but he`s making these people out to be nothing more than s**t on his shoe, when most of them are fleeing their country (Venezuela) because it`s dictatorship has brought that country to it`s knees. No (or little) medical help, no jobs, their economy is crap and it has become a lawless nation. Like many others around the world.

If I was in their position, I would be packing up too and trying to get to another place where I could try to survive. And that`s what these people are doing. Not THEIR fault either, but the morons in power. Brazil have also just elected another despot who hates women and wants all those living in the slums targeted.

WE wouldn`t know about all these issues if it wasn`t for the press coverage. That`s why we NEED good journalists and press who will expose these tragedies, but moreso, the rulers who make it happen. I hope the Democrats win more power in the US or they will be run just like all other Conservative nations.

As for Saudi Arabia and what they done to Mr Khashoggi was shocking and inhuman. Yet they won`t suffer any consequences because of who they are. That should be enough to convince anyone with a brain to vote against ANY government who support this because they make billions from arms deals and oil.
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Two sides to every story 10 Nov 2018 13:00 #10947

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you are right to point out that trump is realy a bit of an agitator towards them but I can honestly understand why I have seen allot of orange man bad stuff debunked over the last year so I totally understand why he feels entitled to call them out as fake news the way he dose.
I'm not saying its right and it is part of the problem that needs to be addressed but this kinda behaviour from Jim Acosta cant be toleratated and its quite shamefull the rest of the mainstream left media is defending him when he is bringing journalism in to disrepute

as to the caravan issue yeah trump is using some dangerous rhetoric but the whole situation is very dangerous in general for allot of reasons trump cant allow it to happen its openly against his policy's these people have been told not to come to America they are not getting in yet they are just not giving a fuck and there caravan is growing every day with economic migrants like some exodus to the promised land
I heard a report the other day a third group was forming to hook up with the caravan and there are reports that this third group is armed with firearms and Molotov's and there where deaths as they fought the authority crossing in to Mexico
Cant imagine why trump would call it an invasion :whistle:
I know allot of the original caravan are fleeing a terrible situation but I don't get why they feel entitled to cross 2-3 borders in some cases with the specific aim of demanding America lets them in why do they not just resettle in the next nearest friendly country according to international law regarding refugees
This situation is not going to end well for these people and they should go home, America cannot be seen to the international world giving in to this type of demand it will set a terrible precedent and severely weaken Americas borders and send the message America will cave as long as we turn up in mass under humanitarian pretences
And yes we really do need good honest real journalists more than ever in these times and that's why I feel its important the media reforms itself and gets back to real reporting instead of making everything orange man bad and distance themselves from bad journalism like CNN engage in.
I feel like they learned nothing from the last election every time I see them behave like this i cant help but think of them as the bad guys and by contrast this makes trump look good they still don't get it they are basically running an election campaign for trump I will not be surprised if trump wins in 2020 and America will get the president they deserve an intellectually stunted fool of a man who just dosent belong in politics.
As for Saudi Arabia I confess I'm not very clued up on what's going on over there atm and the politics behind it
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Two sides to every story 11 Nov 2018 02:48 #10962

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you know there's a problem when thousands of Americans in a trump rally are chanting "tell the truth" at a CNN reporter

Would this be the "truth" they get from Fox News? Trump is always giving out the same mantra of "fake news" yet he's such a fecking narcissist that anything said against him is dismissed as "fake". Trump is probably jealous of the power Kim Jong-un has over the media in North Korea...


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I have seen allot of orange man bad stuff debunked over the last year so I totally understand why he feels entitled to call them out as fake news the way he dose.

If you made a list of all the bad stuff that's been debunked, then made a list of the bad stuff which has been proven to be true... I think I know which list will be longer!
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Two sides to every story 11 Nov 2018 10:09 #10969

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i cant realy speak for americans and why they think this mebey its mindless tribalisim or mebey like me they have seen the clips of CNN stageing fake protests and interviewing there camera man or cutting off there guests live feed when they disagree with the narative they are trying to spin, there are legitimate reasons for thinking CNN is fake news
to me they are like the boy who cried wolf by this point they have been runing a dishonest smear campaign against trump since he announced his plans to run for the white house and they blame him for every little thing that goes wrong in America they will find some way of attributing it to him, this has ruined there reputation so much that even when they do report the truth it is not taken seriously and viewed with such suspicion
they coined the phrase fake news to discredit pro trump propaganda in the internet now its biting them in the ase as readers faith in the media in general has never been so low and more and more people turn to alternate media sources coz they simply don't trust the mainstream media anymore :(
this is why i say the media needs to reform itself and needs honest journalism more than ever now journalists need to be as professional as possible and be seen to be above reproch or at least as much as they can if they ever want to shake the fake news stigma
or they can keep printing flimsy orange man bad articles and help get him elected again :sick:
and your right trumps no saint and has done some shady stuff (like all presidents) but I would find it hard to believe he's been more dishonest than the media, its something like 80% of the mainstream media is against him printing this stuff every day, Trumps only one man there aren't enough hours in the day from him to outdo them :P

have a look at some of CCN's fails for yourself



one of my favourite CNN and well documented CNN fails was the david clarke interview discussing the dangerous progressive moment known as black lives matter



if only the title on that last video was true we wouldn't have to listen to that race baiting little shit say raciest stuff like this :sick:



This particular media outlet is VERY dangerous America is on the brink of civil war and this little shits pouring petrol on the fire :angry:

Don't get me wrong Tarquin I relay don't want trump in office in 2020 I just see him as the lesser of two evils, its like choosing between Hitler or Stalin there is no good choice
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Two sides to every story 11 Nov 2018 10:34 #10971

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I Like Good Balanced News Reporting, And try to get the same story from at least two different sources,
So CNN and BBC is Off the list to start with !
I have Trust in RT and Al Jazeera, and watch the main News on both Channels,
American Television News is seen in the USA as Entertainment and content is based on TV Ratings !
News is a secondary consideration :ohmy:
Britain has the Problem of Censorship and Government Control and Interference,
Good example was a few years ago The Very Good News Channel from Iran, PRESS-TV upset the
Tory Government who permanent Shut Down Press-TVs Satellite Channel, So much for Press Freedom in Britain.
Channel Still Avaliabal via the Internet.
www.presstv.com/

LIVE FEED HERE:
www.presstv.com/Default/Live

Again I watch the News on this Channel Daily.
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Two sides to every story 11 Nov 2018 10:40 #10973

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i like RT myself Paul but keep in mind it is Russian funded so a healthy dose of scepticism is a good thing ;)
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Personally, I feel ALL news and reporting should always be factual and backed up by evidence. If it isn`t, then how can it be news? It`s like a breaking news story saying a bus has crashed on the M25 and then half an hour later, it seems the bus didn`t crash but swerved off the road. Misinformation and NOT factual. If Trump has done something in the past but it can`t be proven with hard evidence, they have nothing. When we vote for a new leadership or party, we should vote for what we know and believe in and want for the future based on what that party has said or has vowed to change. If they mess up, vote them out. Only the ballot box can change things, yet people seem to be flipping a coin everytime an election comes around. If we had the green party running this country for example, we would have a UBI, NO fracking, a decent living wage and so many other positive things happening. Yet we all know they don`t have a change in hell of beating the top two in the line up. Why? Because people just won`t take the risk.

I`m not a green party voter by the way I`m SNP! But given the choice of Westminster being run by the greens, they would get my vote.
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I'd like to see the greens in power to CoD but its a pipe dream atm for a multitude of reasons I watched a good documentary on the greens a while back explaining why it cant get in to power and made a good argument for why it was largely down to economic needs and how they will never rise to power unless we have a surplus GDP
cant find it atm but ill keep an eye out for you it was an interesting video.
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change. If they mess up, vote them out. Only the ballot box can change things,

Problem is Tory s are Far-Right; Labour are Right Wing, Librials are in no-where land, Welsh Nationalists & SNP will most likely work
well in there own Country's, But Change, Real Change will only happen On the Streets in Direct Action, But so far looks to me Britain Dont Want Change ? :(
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torys are more of an authoritarian right than far right the real far right to me are folk like the BNP KKK the real raciest types who believe in racial purity and and stuff like an ethno state, As much as i don't like the torys i don't think that's what they represent overall they are just a bunch of crooked business men out to make money by manipulating the system to there benefit and at our expense :angry:

but that being said I'm sure some of them are closet racist's :P
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