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Voluntary work 29 Mar 2018 09:52 #6705

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Does anyone know if a jobcentre advisor has the power to stop someone doing voluntary work? I work voluntarily a couple of days a week and thought it would be helpful in getting a paid job, as at the very least it means I'll have an up to date reference.
So far my advisor has been fine with it, but she told me herself that she stopped another volunteer who I worked with to stop to concentrate more on finding paid work.
This doesn't seem right to me and as I enjoy my job I want to know what my rights are if she tries it with me.
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Voluntary work 29 Mar 2018 11:31 #6708

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Not so long ago the Jobcentre coaches themselves used to mandate claimants to take up voluntary work experience placements in charity shops for the very reasons you have outlined.

The time that the claimant spent on the placement was included in the time supposedly actively seeking work.

However, if a claimant volunteered on his/her own initiative without the ‘blessing’ of a coach then the time volunteering did not count as time actively seeking work.

As far as I know that remains the position. If you meet your ‘actively seeking employment’ obligations what you do with the rest of your time, within reason and legally of course, is nobody’s business but your own.
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Voluntary work 29 Mar 2018 11:55 #6711

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www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/264508/dwp1023.pdf

Dizzy, this is from 2010 but is a DWP leaflet which sets out what you (and they) need to know in regards to where you are volunteering, if you are paid any expenses etc....

What I read from this and from what I`ve done myself in the past is, the job centre and work coaches should be satisfied that you are still (a) actively looking for work and fulfilling your CC agreements and (b) are available to attend interviews when asked to. If your volunteering does not contradict any of these and you are wilfully gaining or using existing skills, especially if helping others, should be welcomed.
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Voluntary work 29 Mar 2018 12:02 #6712

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Also I may add to keep a record of any hrs you do voluntary working @Dizzy, up to 17x hrs a week it was when I did V-work. However, I would say this Dizzy keep a record of the times/dates that you are volunteering. As I was 'grassed'up by one of me public spirited neighbours, and had to explain myself in front the 'dwp fraud investigation team'. Lucky for me I had been keeping a written record of the dates I was doing voluntary work, and the roach knew about this v-work :blink: .

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Also I have never done any more vol-work since my experience with the 'dwp fraud investigation team', and the way I was spoken to :sick: .
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Voluntary work 29 Mar 2018 15:26 #6717

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The DWP views voluntary work within the context of it being something you submit to under fear of punishment for refusing, stretching the interpretation to its limit. When you go against the grain and sort out your own voluntary work this places you in the cheeky upstart category. Welcome to the club Dizzy. The JC would rather put you on a work programme than find you a real job hence the lack of understanding for the need of references. Remember work is not something that you are supposed to enjoy. The thought police want you to view having a job as a burden hence they also don't give a rat's arris for the quality of customer service going down the drain in the UK. Sending people to work in charity shops is not for the benefit of the needy it is penance for scroungers under the banner 'the poor shall help the poor'.
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Voluntary work 29 Mar 2018 17:06 #6719

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Verc wrote:
When you go against the grain and sort out your own voluntary work this places you in the cheeky upstart category.

Love it Verc!
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Voluntary work 29 Mar 2018 18:01 #6720

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As others have said, you can volunteer up to half your 35 hour week (assuming you're on UC or JSA with 35 hours requirement) and it counts towards your job search hours. From what this site says, it shouldn't make a difference whether you choose to do it or are mandated, just be sure to let the roach know you're doing it -

www.ncvo.org.uk/ncvo-volunteering/volunteering-and-benefits

You're obligated to do 35 hours* a week. Outside that and so long as you're fulfilling that, the JC have no right to tell you what you can or can't do.


*The roaches won't tell you this, but you don't actually have to do 35 hours a week, so long as you've taken "all reasonable steps", which I assume means everything in your claimant commitment. However, in practice, all the roach would have to do is find a job you can do that you haven't applied for and they can then claim that you haven't taken all reasonable steps, so I'd stick to the 35 hours bit, lest you risk a sanction. :evil:
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Voluntary work 08 Apr 2018 11:22 #6900

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Dizzy wrote:
Does anyone know if a jobcentre advisor has the power to stop someone doing voluntary work? I work voluntarily a couple of days a week and thought it would be helpful in getting a paid job, as at the very least it means I'll have an up to date reference.
So far my advisor has been fine with it, but she told me herself that she stopped another volunteer who I worked with to stop to concentrate more on finding paid work.
This doesn't seem right to me and as I enjoy my job I want to know what my rights are if she tries it with me.

Hi Dizzy,

Have you been able to find out anymore of your rights regarding volunteering ?

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