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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 20 May 2018 12:39 #7724

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In theory, I can’t see why not, as you are allowed to use your jobcentre’s customer PCs to do printouts of your evidence, or show your work coach the customer PC’s screen instead of printouts.

With a USB flash drive the only thing that would be different is that you would be plugging it into the customer PC. But doing so might not be allowed by jobcentre staff in case you were using the flash drive to introduce a virus into their system.

I’m asking because I don’t have a printer (I don’t need one in general), and I don’t want to have to buy one and pay the costs of ink refills to simply prove that I have been looking for jobs.
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 20 May 2018 12:57 #7726

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I would present your job search verbally.

To present screen shots or any other evidence which requires printing you could upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive or any other cloud service. These services usually offers a shareable link which you can shorten with URL shorten services. Now I know a lot of people don't want to use the cloud for more sensitive information which is fine but I myself trust Dropbox. The work coach should be able to view links you give them.

Also I think Jobcentre still have forms you can use to present your job search, might be worth asking about.
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 20 May 2018 13:30 #7730

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Are you sure verbal presentations would be accepted? From what I’ve read in various DWP documents, only printouts, screenshots or live screen views are accepted.

Have you any quotes from the DWP that says verbal presentations are accepted?

Yes, there is still a form to present your search in writing. I could use that. Though how long that will be the case is unknown. Everything seems to be being done digitally at jobcentres now.
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 20 May 2018 13:42 #7731

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osris,I have one of those booklets it`s called "My Work Plan" and inside it there are various sections to write or attach things that you have done to apply for jobs and take notes etc... I never used it in the short time I claimed JSA but probably would have just to have a written copy of everything I`d done just to have a hard copy. I don`t trust computers not to crash or burn, which can happen at the best of time, so ask one of the coaches for a copy they should still have them. If not, ask why?

I also use a memory/flash drive to save things onto, but I doubt Job Centres would allow their use due to virus threats. I can`t be 100% sure on this however as I`ve never asked, but libraries might or other places that offer assistance for photo-copying and the like. I have a place nearby that allows flash drives to copy stuff off from, but they are due to close at the end of this year sadly, so I need to source another place to have these done or like you, I will be stuck.


If you have a google gmail or Microsoft Hotmail account, both have virtual suites where we can store and copy things/attach things to emails etc....and edit stuff. I was going to use Google Docs for a few CV`s and letters, but have yet to do so. I don`t fully know how to switch things back and forth on this platform so it`s still a work in progress, but useful if we have to attach a document to an email or change the format of a document into another one. I was never a whizz with things like that though so I`m still a `google docs for dummies` student! :lol:
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 20 May 2018 14:03 #7734

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To present screen shots or any other evidence which requires printing you could upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive or any other cloud service. These services usually offers a shareable link which you can shorten with URL shorten services. Now I know a lot of people don't want to use the cloud for more sensitive information which is fine but I myself trust Dropbox. The work coach should be able to view links you give them.
That's a good idea, Ducray, I might even think about that as I'm registered with Dropbox and offer this solution to my work roach.
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 20 May 2018 14:10 #7735

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osris wrote:
Are you sure verbal presentations would be accepted? From what I’ve read in various DWP documents, only printouts, screenshots or live screen views are accepted.

From the Respectful Benefit forum poster "Non Deficere":
194. The JSA Regulations do not specify that claimants must keep written records of
their job search.
However, encouraging a claimant to keep a written record of
the steps they have taken can help them to remember what they have done,
and will help to build up a picture of the progress the claimant is making in their
efforts to find work.
195. A claimant may have set up their own records, but if their record keeping is
inadequate, or non-existent encourage them to use the Jobsearch Activity Log
(ES4).
196. The evidence of jobsearch produced when they attend to have their regular
reviews may be in various forms:
• information they have provided from their Universal Jobmatch account;
• evidence in writing from employers, employment agencies, or other
organisations which they have contacted;
• copies of letters they have sent to employers;
• the claimant’s un-corroborated written evidence, for example an ES4;
the claimant’s verbal evidence
• evidence from previous Jobsearch Reviews recorded on LMS.
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/250075/response/610890/attach/html/3/FoI%20request%20281%20WDTK%20response%20Mr%20Smith..pdf.html
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 20 May 2018 17:07 #7739

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osris,I have one of those booklets it`s called "My Work Plan" and inside it there are various sections to write or attach things that you have done to apply for jobs and take notes etc... I never used it in the short time I claimed JSA but probably would have just to have a written copy of everything I`d done just to have a hard copy. I don`t trust computers not to crash or burn, which can happen at the best of time, so ask one of the coaches for a copy they should still have them. If not, ask why?

I also use a memory/flash drive to save things onto, but I doubt Job Centres would allow their use due to virus threats. I can`t be 100% sure on this however as I`ve never asked, but libraries might or other places that offer assistance for photo-copying and the like. I have a place nearby that allows flash drives to copy stuff off from, but they are due to close at the end of this year sadly, so I need to source another place to have these done or like you, I will be stuck.


If you have a google gmail or Microsoft Hotmail account, both have virtual suites where we can store and copy things/attach things to emails etc....and edit stuff. I was going to use Google Docs for a few CV`s and letters, but have yet to do so. I don`t fully know how to switch things back and forth on this platform so it`s still a work in progress, but useful if we have to attach a document to an email or change the format of a document into another one. I was never a whizz with things like that though so I`m still a `google docs for dummies` student! :lol:

Thanks for your practical tips. I’ll certainly ask the jobcentre for one of those work plan booklets. I think I had one a while back but lost it.
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 20 May 2018 17:10 #7740

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Ducray wrote:
osris wrote:
Are you sure verbal presentations would be accepted? From what I’ve read in various DWP documents, only printouts, screenshots or live screen views are accepted.

From the Respectful Benefit forum poster "Non Deficere":
194. The JSA Regulations do not specify that claimants must keep written records of
their job search.
However, encouraging a claimant to keep a written record of
the steps they have taken can help them to remember what they have done,
and will help to build up a picture of the progress the claimant is making in their
efforts to find work.
195. A claimant may have set up their own records, but if their record keeping is
inadequate, or non-existent encourage them to use the Jobsearch Activity Log
(ES4).
196. The evidence of jobsearch produced when they attend to have their regular
reviews may be in various forms:
• information they have provided from their Universal Jobmatch account;
• evidence in writing from employers, employment agencies, or other
organisations which they have contacted;
• copies of letters they have sent to employers;
• the claimant’s un-corroborated written evidence, for example an ES4;
the claimant’s verbal evidence
• evidence from previous Jobsearch Reviews recorded on LMS.
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/250075/response/610890/attach/html/3/FoI%20request%20281%20WDTK%20response%20Mr%20Smith..pdf.html

Thanks, I'll look into this as a possibility for me.
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 20 May 2018 17:40 #7741

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osris wrote:
Ducray wrote:
osris wrote:
Are you sure verbal presentations would be accepted? From what I’ve read in various DWP documents, only printouts, screenshots or live screen views are accepted.

From the Respectful Benefit forum poster "Non Deficere":
194. The JSA Regulations do not specify that claimants must keep written records of
their job search.
However, encouraging a claimant to keep a written record of
the steps they have taken can help them to remember what they have done,
and will help to build up a picture of the progress the claimant is making in their
efforts to find work.
195. A claimant may have set up their own records, but if their record keeping is
inadequate, or non-existent encourage them to use the Jobsearch Activity Log
(ES4).
196. The evidence of jobsearch produced when they attend to have their regular
reviews may be in various forms:
• information they have provided from their Universal Jobmatch account;
• evidence in writing from employers, employment agencies, or other
organisations which they have contacted;
• copies of letters they have sent to employers;
• the claimant’s un-corroborated written evidence, for example an ES4;
the claimant’s verbal evidence
• evidence from previous Jobsearch Reviews recorded on LMS.
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/250075/response/610890/attach/html/3/FoI%20request%20281%20WDTK%20response%20Mr%20Smith..pdf.html

Thanks, I'll look into this as a possibility for me.

Some work coaches doesn't care for internal policies or the law. I had to deal with a work coach last year believing SBWA was a mandatory scheme (even though it wasn't). You will find with those work coaches either want you to comply or they going to refer you to a decision maker. I think it requires some good social engineering skills to deal with those work coaches, so for a lot of us we just have to choose to either fight back or to do whatever they want us to do.

Not all work coaches are like that though :)
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 20 May 2018 19:18 #7745

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Some work coaches doesn't care for internal policies or the law. I had to deal with a work coach last year believing SBWA was a mandatory scheme (even though it wasn't). You will find with those work coaches either want you to comply or they going to refer you to a decision maker. I think it requires some good social engineering skills to deal with those work coaches, so for a lot of us we just have to choose to either fight back or to do whatever they want us to do.
Indeed this is very true. You also get the more wretched work roaches, like the beloved Asswipe, who decide to make up their own law all in the name of scaremongering. A perfect example was something I shared a couple of years ago where this idiot threatened sanction on a clearly unfit, illiterate diabetic poor old soul because he hadn't recorded his job search activity on UJM. The claimant had no idea about his rights and was in a bit of a state over all of this. He was obviously not fit for work but to see this jumped up little turd spouting absolute bullshit at him and showing not one ounce of sympathy I swore if I ever saw him on a cold dark night....

Anyway, the My Workplan Booklet... one of the most ridiculous wastes of paper I've had the displeasure of reading. Utterly pointless, plus they'd have to junk all existing versions as they still refer to UJM. welfare.povertyalliance.org/userfiles/files/Copy%20of%20JSA%20workplan_Diary.pdf
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 21 May 2018 07:48 #7749

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Tarquin_Flotsam wrote:
You also get the more wretched work roaches, like the beloved Asswipe, who decide to make up their own law all in the name of scaremongering. A perfect example was something I shared a couple of years ago where this idiot threatened sanction on a clearly unfit, illiterate diabetic poor old soul because he hadn't recorded his job search activity on UJM. The claimant had no idea about his rights and was in a bit of a state over all of this. He was obviously not fit for work but to see this jumped up little turd spouting absolute bullshit at him and showing not one ounce of sympathy I swore if I ever saw him on a cold dark night....
welfare.povertyalliance.org/userfiles/files/Copy%20of%20JSA%20workplan_Diary.pdf

Indeed some Coaches need a dam good Battering, Bring them into line.
Guess from there side of the table its all about "Hitting Targets", but that is absolutely no excuse for there often appalling behaviour.
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 21 May 2018 13:25 #7753

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Job Centres are supposed to have a code of conduct. Haven`t bothered to look it up personally but it might be worth reading and pointing it out to any work coach who gets above their station. The `code of conduct` poster is on the wall in my own job centre.

Tarquin, I never used that booklet either but I suppose it`s a start for anyone who wants to note things down into it or ask for one to show their coach that they want to use one, but then move on to using a larger version they can create om an A4 folder and just use the booklet as a template.
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 21 May 2018 14:03 #7755

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Job Centres are supposed to have a code of conduct. Haven`t bothered to look it up personally but it might be worth reading and pointing it out to any work coach who gets above their station. The `code of conduct` poster is on the wall in my own job centre.
I pointed out to the manager at my previous jobcentre exactly how some of her staff were behaving but she wouldn't have any of it, they'll always stick together you see. There's plenty of youtube footage out there of work roaches being dishonest, bullying etc but they really need to be exposed on national television. But no, Channel 5, the BBC and the likes have their own agenda in showing the unemployed in the worst possible light so it's highly unlikely...
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Can you present your job application evidence record on a USB flash drive? 21 May 2018 15:50 #7757

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Tarquin_Flotsam wrote:
Ducray wrote:
Some work coaches doesn't care for internal policies or the law. I had to deal with a work coach last year believing SBWA was a mandatory scheme (even though it wasn't). You will find with those work coaches either want you to comply or they going to refer you to a decision maker. I think it requires some good social engineering skills to deal with those work coaches, so for a lot of us we just have to choose to either fight back or to do whatever they want us to do.
Indeed this is very true. You also get the more wretched work roaches, like the beloved Asswipe, who decide to make up their own law all in the name of scaremongering. A perfect example was something I shared a couple of years ago where this idiot threatened sanction on a clearly unfit, illiterate diabetic poor old soul because he hadn't recorded his job search activity on UJM. The claimant had no idea about his rights and was in a bit of a state over all of this. He was obviously not fit for work but to see this jumped up little turd spouting absolute bullshit at him and showing not one ounce of sympathy I swore if I ever saw him on a cold dark night....

Anyway, the My Workplan Booklet... one of the most ridiculous wastes of paper I've had the displeasure of reading. Utterly pointless, plus they'd have to junk all existing versions as they still refer to UJM. welfare.povertyalliance.org/userfiles/files/Copy%20of%20JSA%20workplan_Diary.pdf



In the work plan book, what does the “From” date mean? Does it refer to one day’s job searching/applying? Presumably it does, as there’s no space for two weeks worth.
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In the work plan book, what does the “From” date mean? Does it refer to one day’s job searching/applying? Presumably it does, as there’s no space for two weeks worth.[/quote]

Each page represents a week, so you'll use two pages a week, but at my jc they don't even hand them out anymore never mind look at them.
As I didn't use ujm to log my jobsearch I just wrote it on paper.
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