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Man came off UC but still got his UC payements 24 May 2018 12:44 #7890

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I was talking to someone yesterday (I’ll call him Bob) and he said that there is an apparent loophole when you come off UC. He said that he came off it, and told his work coach he was doing so, and asked what the next step was. The work coach said that he was to tell the DWP so they could take him off the register of people on UC. He said that jobcentres can’t do this.

Bob was puzzled by this lack of “connectedness” between jobcentres and the DWP, and tried an experiment: he didn’t tell the DWP he’d stopped signing on, and so still got his UC payments put in his bank every month, and was never bothered by the jobcentre as they thought that he’d stopped signing on.

Bob did this for two months, and then notified the DWP that he’d come off UC, and told them he hadn’t realised that he had to tell the DWP he had come off UC. They believed him. He had to pay the overpayment back. He paid it back ok, as he hadn’t touched the money, seeing it was an experiment.

This was a few years ago, so this “loophole” might be closed now.

This is only in regard to UC, with JSA it might be different.

By the way, don't try this, as it is illegal.
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Man came off UC but still got his UC payements 24 May 2018 14:15 #7895

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You had me worried there for a moment osris because while reading, I was thinking to myself, "This guy will have debts to pay back!" but I see he did that when he eventually contacted DWP. Anyone claiming UC MUST call the UC helpline or advice line free if they have ANY change in their circumstances, especially if it involves money. The Universal Credit journal is set up for claimants to do this too, but whether it gets a quicker response, I can`t say as I`m not yet on UC or using this journal.

Job centre staff are possibly not geared to close accounts. I had to make a call using a job centre phone a few years ago to call the ESA number as I was between claiming JSA and ESA (on appeal) and I know it`s up to the claimant to notify the correct department on these things.
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Man came off UC but still got his UC payements 24 May 2018 15:22 #7900

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comply or die wrote:
Job centre staff are possibly not geared to close accounts. I had to make a call using a job centre phone a few years ago to call the ESA number as I was between claiming JSA and ESA (on appeal) and I know it`s up to the claimant to notify the correct department on these things.

I wonder how many people have not notified the correct department? It would be too much of a temptation not to for some.

I wonder also why the DWP and jobcentres haven’t put a stop to this potentiality? They must be losing millions a year from it.
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Man came off UC but still got his UC payements 24 May 2018 18:44 #7916

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As comply says it is up to the claimant but they have messed it up with me when I did inform them and on more than one occasion it has become apparent that one arm does not know what the other is doing, I even had someone from ESA say that directly to me about JSA. So there is also a very realistic scenario whereby Bob informs them straight away they balls it up then order him to make repayments by which time say 10 years later Bob can afford a lawyer who takes the dWP to court sues their backside and makes him even more money. Thankfully for the DWP it isn't their own money they are playing around with.
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Man came off UC but still got his UC payements 24 May 2018 19:00 #7918

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Verc wrote:
So there is also a very realistic scenario whereby Bob informs them straight away they balls it up then order him to make repayments by which time say 10 years later Bob can afford a lawyer who takes the dWP to court sues their backside and makes him even more money. Thankfully for the DWP it isn't their own money they are playing around with.

The DWP’s defence, though, could be to argue that Bob should have told his bank to stop accepting the DWP payments into his account as soon as he realised the DWP's mistake.
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Man came off UC but still got his UC payements 07 Jun 2018 12:54 #8443

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If caught one excuse could be that your circumstances haven’t changed, that you are still unemployed. That’s if you are doing it while still out of work. in a way it is the truth. Maybe the judge would have sympathy.
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Man came off UC but still got his UC payements 07 Jun 2018 17:07 #8457

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"I wonder also why the DWP and jobcentres haven’t put a stop to this potentiality? They must be losing millions a year from it."

This would be in-line with their waste all tax payers money deliver nothing and spend a fortune in the process, remember UJM for instance. :)
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Man came off UC but still got his UC payements 08 Jun 2018 10:23 #8494

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True. But how would DWP and JCP know that you had done this? Who would tell them? In theory you could get away with it.
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