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Thrive into Work? 06 Jun 2018 06:32 #8418

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What is Thrive into Work?
The Thrive into Work programme is an experimental trial that will test a new employment support service for people with a mental health and/or physical health condition in primary and community care. The trial aims to find out how good this new service is at helping people to find work.

What is offered by the service we are testing?

One-to-one support to suit your needs and employment goals.
Working with your health care team in primary and community care to help you manage any difficulties.
Benefits advice to find out if work could increase your income .
Help finding a job if you are not in paid employment, and continued support once you have started.
Help talking to your employer about your needs at work.
Meetings over the phone or in person at a location that is convenient for you.

Read More Here;
thriveintowork.org.uk/
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Thrive into Work? 06 Jun 2018 08:14 #8421

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Much as I admire the NHS getting involved with trying to help those who have difficulties returning to the work place, this will be yet another trial by fire for those who just can`t be given help beyond 12 months and then sent on their merry way. The funding usually runs out or they find it`s not helping the many but rather the few. These collaborations between the NHS and government can be set up to fool people into believing they are going to receive one on one help even after they have found work:

Help finding a job if you are not in paid employment, and continued support once you have started.

Unless they find employers with a deep wallet to cover for absences and make reasonable adjustments to that persons working conditions and have staff on hand to cover any problems (should they occur) then good luck to them. I don`t see Scotland mentioned in this link but Scotland has just started Fair Start, so I imagine that and a few other initiatives happening here like Social Prescribing by GP`s and the other organisations like the third sector being involved in lots of ways, I`m not sure Scotland will be included on this trial. But strange things happen.
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Thrive into Work? 07 Jun 2018 07:22 #8438

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I think that's right, CoD, we already have a programme in place to help this group of people. It's called Employment and Support Allowance.

'Thrive into Work' is just another Conservative con.
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Thrive into Work? 07 Jun 2018 09:47 #8440

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Does the introduction of this new initiative mean that the Work and Health Programme, also comparatively new, is already being regarded as not fit for purpose?

It asks:
Do you have a health condition and would like support to find work?

It should be asking:
Do you have a health condition and would like support to get better?
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Thrive into Work? 07 Jun 2018 10:35 #8441

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One thing that is Glaringly obvious as
"Not Fit For Purpose" Is this government, bringing out one failed idea after another,
as this country sinks into a quagmire of Poverty and Despair.
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Thrive into Work? 08 Jun 2018 00:16 #8482

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These projects have been going on in the NHS for donkeys years and rarely last beyond a year or two. Quite often the person coming up with the idea has already moved on. They are well meaning in origin but tend to lack knowledge of the system as a whole. One example was a leaflet they posted at info points where you also collected things like travel expenses. I requested one of these leaflets and neither of the people behind the desk knew what I was talking about or could find any copies even though there was a poster for it about three foot away on the adjacent wall.

At one conference I made the contribution that the NHS might be better served concentrating on indentifying and reducing causes of its existing staff having extensive periods off work through stress before trying to get others back in to work or were nobody (including the NHS) has ever been prepared to take a chance on them in some cases their whole adult lives. It went a bit quiet. The telephone line for that service was dead within a few months after leaftets and pens with logo on had been put together (as a former NHS printer, I know this stuff costs money). The sad part is there were workshops where people had clearly put a lot of time and thought in.

There are some well meaning people withing the NHS but there are some self righteous career individuals including ones with a personal axe to grind (commonly within the mental health side) trying to push mental health which seems to be going on in wider areas at the moment including the media and even royal family. I always ask myself for whose benefit is this project really for.

What these people commonly miss is that simply talking about something does not a) ensure the person on the other end knows how to listen properly or b) can get you the relevant help even if it actually exists in the first place and in job centres you are most likely to get the response 'never heard of it, now toodle off and do your 35 hours job search or you'll be in risk of a sanction'. You could take this back to your do gooder who in turn would most likely respond 'oh that's a bit tough' and seem to stare into infinity.

To be taken with a pinch of salt. For a start there's been a job freeze across many parts of the NHS going on for years now or I would most likely be working for them if they practiced what they preach about employers taking on people with known mental health issues - British firms historically do not and this is already known from previous trials/projects.
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Verc wrote: There are some well meaning people withing the NHS but there are some self righteous career individuals including ones with a personal axe to grind

I think I`ve recently met one with the physiotherapist I`ve been assigned to! She speaks like an ATOS assessor and thinks chronic pain can be elped by attending pain management stress classes where you sit in a room for two hours practicing relaxation techniques and listening to the same drivel I heard ten years ago.
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Thrive into Work? 08 Jun 2018 21:24 #8512

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"Help finding a job if you are not in paid employment, and continued support once you have started."

Do these scumbag providers feel we cant read or have problems with our eyesight.

If the bloody work was there and actually paid enough to live on i am guessing a lot out there would be doing it.
So fed up reading the ideological political bullshit.

One provider asked me once whats my work ethic? i replied:Work hard and earn lots of cash for it. :)
For some strange reason, them and the joke shop didn't understand what i was going on about.
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Thrive into Work? 08 Jun 2018 21:26 #8513

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AKA: Die while at work. :) :evil:
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Thrive into Work? 09 Jun 2018 08:34 #8518

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Back in the 1980s when the Total Destruction of Britain Started, Called "The Thatcher Experiment" Utter Destruction of All Industry, Factories Closed.
Coal & Steel Industry Shut, Better to import then Produce we were told.
End of Social Housing, Crippled NHS, Soaring Crime & Poverty.
Over the last 30-40 Years its got so bad the "Working Class" has been completely Demonised.
Future ? What Future. :angry: :angry: :angry:
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Thrive into Work? 09 Jun 2018 09:05 #8522

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jobber wrote: So fed up reading the ideological political bullshit.

We all are jobber. If they could come up with a more relaxed plan for people out of work without the carrot and stick mentality and pissing tax payers money up the wall, I think we would all applaud it. But as usual, their mentality is such that it demonises people and goes backwards instead of forwards.

I could easily take my graphic design skills (for what they are) into a classroom or a disability centre and focus on gaining experience within a sector that my age group usually does well in. But I don`t have the freedom to excersize that because I`m tied to a controlling system that is hell bent on job search and chaining people to a computer day in, day out.
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Thrive into Work? 10 Jun 2018 12:14 #8537

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Continued support after you have found work: We will come into your workplace where you are already identified as a special case (via the mysterious office whisperers) who needs support (shepherded to a not so private room) and then proceed like social workers to treat as a helpless childlike imbecile incapable of working independently which may (and I have seen them do this) then reduce you to tears in front of your colleagues. In the meantime the exec band will keep getting their annual rise whilst we are forced to pay the debts owed to the private health companies and exist in a continual state of crisis with two nurses per ward whom in turn will get soak up the flack when patients are left dehydrated and malnutritioned. And even if you are lucky to be the twin town who kept their A&E you will have all those from your other half to share it with. We are basically flat broke and need people to work for as little as possible so thanks for signing up and saving our sorry backsides. Then we officially privatise it we'll shut most of your hospitals down completely and you can squat in them.

Enter Verc's joke centre advisor: "Foreigners are doing the jobs the British workforce won't do anymore."

Verc: "No, jobs foreigners can only afford to do by sharing 10 to a house illegally. Jobs that British workers can't afford to take anymore since the wages don't keep pace with the cost of living."

Many thanks to Tony Blair (immigration overload) and Gordon Brown (minimum wage below inflation & dependency on WTCs) finishing the work of their hero Thatcher and handing control back on a plate to the tories. Roll out the pointless mantra: 'British jobs for British workers' a more hilarious soundbite with each passing year.

Result: No leadership and no opposition. Both major parties in inner turmoil reflected by the general economic uncertainty in the UK as a whole with the shambles of brexit which probably in the end will leave us still stuck to Brussels with the one significant difference being we no longer get a say in anything. But hey the most important things is that we just wasted another couple of years getting nowhere at taxpayers expense and once we've tricked ourselves out of sovereignty completely we'll be able to toss it off in perpetuity and keep rewarding ourselves for failure with a pay rise whilst the workers get less and less.

Prediction: Scottish independence and dissolution of the failed union (in writing please so I can stick it next to the Act of Union 1707) and save British people in all four countries. Beyond that I absolutely see no future, it will be a tax haven for the super rich on the backs of third world slave labour. Destitution and crime ridden streets will be past the point of resource capacity. Better together? I don't know what could be worse! English, Scots, Irish, Welsh, Manx all have their own identities and most mature adults respect this.

Politics has failed these isles.
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Thrive into Work? 10 Jun 2018 13:15 #8538

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Verc wrote: Prediction: Scottish independence

Given what has happened since Scotland`s last attempt at Independence Verc, Indy ref 2 might be a repeat & rinse scenario and if it fails again, I`m not sure there will ever be another chance at it. I voted FOR Independence the first time and we lost, even though, like many blinkered Scots, we clung onto the hope that voting Yes would be a stab in the dark, but one that might save us from leaving the single market and becoming the underdogs (like Wales & N. Ireland) to the continuing control of Westminster and their sick ideology.

I don`t really care now if Independence means living on a hill in a tent with my possessions in a bag if it means being free from Tory rule and living within my means, which I`ve always done anyway having been tied to the job centre most of my life with the exception of those times I was able to work. My fear is though that even IF Scotland wins independence, that we will still have tory MP`s in the Scottish Parliament, so if they were still able to manipulate their draconian ways on the people of Scotland, then I don`t see why being independent would gain anything more than a different currency and `insiders` doing their best to mess things up because their leadership was south of the border.
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