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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 13 Jun 2018 18:00 #8644

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I have to sign on tomorrow. I will ask my work coach to amend my CC to remove reference to using UJM. I will let you know what she says.

It also says on my CC which I forgot to mention before:

"Attend the Jobcentre to provide evidence of my work search activities" and in the "How often" column next to it it says "weekly".

I just noticed this now -- the weekly bit. I have only been going in every fortnight to sign on, and have not been pulled up about this weekly thing. What does it mean. I didn't notice it when I signed the CC -- I felt too rushed into signing it.

I will ask for it to be removed. But doing that might remind them it's there, and they might ask me why I haven't been coming in weekly. What should I say?
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 13 Jun 2018 19:18 #8649

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When was that bit `weekly` added Tufty? Should be dated where you signed it. If it`s months old, might be worth just leaving it be if you think it will trigger any doubts should you mention it, but you could say that because you have been attending each fortnight (I presume you are claiming JSA?) to sign, you could point out the `mistake` that was added. It`s a tricky one because the old saying `let sleeping dogs lie` springs to mind, but you also don`t want anything agreed to on a CC that hasn`t been actioned, although attending weekly should have said something like - "I will attend the jobcentre fortnightly" if your coach didn`t directly specify that they wanted to see you weekly? What would be the point of providing your work search activities if your coach didn`t give you any appointments to go in? Doesn`t really make sense, so you could justify this by saying that nobody gave you any direction to go in. You could turn it around by stating that you provide your work search as directed by the 35 hours directive and duly present that. Let them explain why they would say `weekly` if nobody asked you to attend? Were you supposed to just walk in unannounced and expect a work coach to see you? I doubt it.
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 13 Jun 2018 19:20 #8650

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Re the activity listed on your CC:

"Attend the Jobcentre to provide evidence of my work search activities" and in the "How often" column next to it it says "weekly".

Every time you attend JCP to sign on you should have been given a date and time for your next appointment. You were not aware that you had the choice of deciding attendance times and therefore did not challenge when you were told to attend.

Best of luck with negotiating variations to your CC tomorrow. I hope you have been able to pick up a few ideas to help and prepare you for the task.
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 13 Jun 2018 22:56 #8652

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When was that bit `weekly` added Tufty? Should be dated where you signed it. If it`s months old, might be worth just leaving it be if you think it will trigger any doubts should you mention it, but you could say that because you have been attending each fortnight (I presume you are claiming JSA?) to sign, you could point out the `mistake` that was added. It`s a tricky one because the old saying `let sleeping dogs lie` springs to mind, but you also don`t want anything agreed to on a CC that hasn`t been actioned, although attending weekly should have said something like - "I will attend the jobcentre fortnightly" if your coach didn`t directly specify that they wanted to see you weekly? What would be the point of providing your work search activities if your coach didn`t give you any appointments to go in? Doesn`t really make sense, so you could justify this by saying that nobody gave you any direction to go in. You could turn it around by stating that you provide your work search as directed by the 35 hours directive and duly present that. Let them explain why they would say `weekly` if nobody asked you to attend? Were you supposed to just walk in unannounced and expect a work coach to see you? I doubt it.

It's dated January this year. I haven't been on JSA a long time.

I feel like letting sleeping dogs lie too. I don't want to give them any excuse to sanction me. I'm having second thoughts about getting them to renegotiate my CC. Even if UJM is not removed from it, they can't sanction me for not using it after it closes down in a few days. And if in future they point out the weekly thing, and why I never came in weekly, I'll just say to them that they didn't give me a time and day for this. If they make a big deal about it, I'll see a solicitor or something.

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Re the activity listed on your CC:

"Attend the Jobcentre to provide evidence of my work search activities" and in the "How often" column next to it it says "weekly".

Every time you attend JCP to sign on you should have been given a date and time for your next appointment. You were not aware that you had the choice of deciding attendance times and therefore did not challenge when you were told to attend.

Best of luck with negotiating variations to your CC tomorrow. I hope you have been able to pick up a few ideas to help and prepare you for the task.

Yes, I was given a time and date that was fortnightly, and was not aware that I had a choice in deciding attendance times.

At the moment (10.53 pm) I don't feel like making a fuss about this with them. I should have thought more before starting this thread. But thanks Comply and Benefits Bolshie for your advice.

If I change my mind and do mention it to them I will tell you what happened.
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 14 Jun 2018 00:18 #8654

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I would just leave it alone and carry on as normal with your usual signing routine, Its up to them to book you for weekly appointments if you are (supposed to be) on weekly signing and its also up to them to remove UJM if it is no longer relevant to your CC agreement.
You would just be telling them about the mistakes that they are making in (Them) NOT changing/keeping to your CC agreement and (maybe) letting yourself in for a few new conditions getting added.

When you sign on, they give you a date and time for your next appointment... they would have a hard time (trying to) prove that they told you to be at a weekly appointment that they didn't give you when in fact... they were giving you fortnighly appointments. Therefore... You didn't miss any appointments and can't be sanctioned.
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 14 Jun 2018 03:57 #8658

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If it aint broke... dont fix it !
Due to Government Cutbacks... The Light at The End of The Tunnel Has Now Been Turned OFF !
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 14 Jun 2018 08:34 #8660

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Thanks. I'll do what you suggest.
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 14 Jun 2018 15:50 #8673

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I am glad you did create the thread Tufty because I expect this is such a common oversight from the slacktards and helps to raise awareness of their lack of professional attitude.
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 15 Jun 2018 13:35 #8689

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Find a Job Delivery Implementation Guide
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/485209/response/1171091/attach/3/Find%20a%20Job%20DIG.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

Found this interesting little snippet in this ‘Guide’:

Complete the following activities by 15/06/18

• Familiarise yourself with the Find a Job system, specifically that there will be no access for DWP staff

• Use the links under the ‘Content’ section of the Find a Job Intranet site to view Find a Job site previews, regular Newsletter information, Find a Job Questions and Answers, Discussion Group and more

• As the Universal Jobmatch system will not be available from 18/06/18, if you have used it to gather job search evidence, ensure that a hard copy of that evidence is obtained and stored in case of future mandatory reconsideration or appeal


Wonder what else this ‘Find a Job Intranet Site’ is able to do.

Wonder how this ‘evidence’ is intended to be used in the future to torment claimants who used UJM.

This will be the last working day for UJM before it closes down forever, hopefully, on Sunday.
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 16 Jun 2018 12:50 #8701

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Saw my work coach. I didn’t mention my CC. She asked me if I had signed up with Find a Job yet. I said yes. She didn’t ask if I intend to use it. Which I don’t intend to use.
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 16 Jun 2018 17:26 #8710

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She should be satisfied that you have (a) created an account and (b) are using the FAJ site. Work coaches have NO right to access FAJ and cannot ask for access in any way, shape or form. They CAN ask to see a screenshot or print-out from the site though, but this should be at YOUR discretion and always be one step ahead of any sneaky attempt to goad you into complying with that if you can show another form of evidence like a gmail link from FAJ where an employer has sent you a response to an application.
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 17 Jun 2018 09:53 #8720

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My view is t best to keep the use of faj to a bare minimum in any discussions as i imagine for a lot of people once they give the impression;or actually show they are using this bag of crap MKII website, the roaches will be gloriously happy; and while at joke shop appointments will proceed to spend half an hour reeling off jobs from that website for us all to apply to.For some i imagine, dependant on what type of work they are actually seeking will be have a ton of 'lets work in a warehouse or poundland etc' coming at them in droves.The good thing is if this does happen, the roaches will have to get off their arse and get busy printing :)
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 18 Jun 2018 11:47 #8775

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I went to my first appointment after the CC agreement ( on UC) was made, I am on a sick/fit note for COPD. My adviser asked if I had to attend any Hospital/Nurses/Doctors appointments regularly Because of my COPD... I said No !
She then said that she would have to amend my CC agreement... I Thought Oh! Thats Bad !

She then lowered my jobsearch requirements from 35hrs a week to 25hrs. per week.

I was expecting to be referred to the Work & Health Programme.

It might still happen, but I'm still expecting the worst and hoping for the best.
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I will ask to renegotiate my CC when I sign on tomorrow 19 Jun 2018 18:42 #8824

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Maybe could have said something like 'i think there will be other appointments going by how my condition is currently progressing' and will update you on that when and if that happens.What an old bag reducing your joke search hours to that pathetic amount.

Not to worry you have a condition the roach will have to suck up whether it likes it or not. :evil:

You will find some great info on this site how to deal with roaches like that for instance and load of other information thats sure to help.

Good luck Spike
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