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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 09 Sep 2018 04:12 #10113

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The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has released the results of a claimant survey. It shows that one of its key policies could be failing hundreds of thousands of people.
The DWP: a controversial policy

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is a welfare payment to help with the additional costs of sickness/disability. It was first rolled out in April 2013, to replace Disability Living Allowance (DLA). But since its started, PIP has been dogged by controversy; not least the assessment process.

Now, the DWP has released the results of a claimant survey about assessments. Buried in the report are the findings for the actual assessment. They show that a significant number of claimants had issues with their face-to-face assessments.

www.thecanary.co/uk/2018/09/08/the-dwp-just-made-a-damning-admission-about-benefit-assessments/
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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 09 Sep 2018 09:24 #10115

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These assessments for PIP and ESA are basically a disability analysis of a persons problems with daily living and/or mobility, yet they are set up to be nothing but. An example for me would be "Dressed casually but smart". Now are they assessing me on my dress sense or the fact that I like to try and look half decent when I attend something? This is just one of the things an assessor can write on their report. They have also stated on mine that - "she has good insight into her condition". Really? That might be true if it was actually DIAGNOSED.

Maybe if they started looking at the medical evidence in front of them and stopped trying to trip up decision makers with their lies, more people would look forward to attending their assessment and feel they are being scored on their health problem rather than an analysis of how they look, speak or if they have travelled to the assessment centre alone, rather accompanied. Not everyone wants to have someone with them on the day. The whole process from start to finish is a set up to fail.
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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 09 Sep 2018 11:06 #10117

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I remember at my last appeal the moron turned around to me and told me how smartly dressed and how clean i appeared witch was just a total slap in the face seeing as i deliberately wore the same clothes for 2 weeks and hadant showerd or shaved for 2 weeks.
i called him an idiot and questioned his competence and suggested his judgement was so bad that he wasent qualified to hold a position passing judgement on disabled claimants.
Didn't realy work for me though asi failed and they scored me zero points but I guess it just reinforced my opinion of how incompetent they are.
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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 09 Sep 2018 11:25 #10118

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That`s exactly how they operate Finnster and anyone who has faced an assessment for ESA (can`t comment on PIP as I don`t claim it) has met with these same observations. When I read back my ESA85 report and manage to get my sometimes muddled head around what the assessor (a nurse) wrote down about me, I can`t fail to see why someone who makes the effort to look `normal` is classed as being able to work? Maybe I should rub some lager over my clothing next time, not brush my teeth for a week, or not wash my hair (which is difficult enough when you have nerve problems in your neck area anyway) and see if they score me low on these? I very much doubt it. She also said on my report that I `manage to put a bag over my head`, meaning, I was carrying an over the shoulder bag. I WASN`T! And I held my small hand-held bag in my hand only to take along some medication boxes. :angry:

These are observations that can be looked at by a decision maker and read as if we can do things that appear (on paper) to be justified when the reality is, many are fabricated and twisted. We cannot trust these people to perform a properly judged medical examination because they are trained in an office to use a system that is nothing to do with pain or medical outcomes. It`s an observational tick box analysis of someone `on the day` and sometimes that can turn out to be a `better day` for a lot of people. Just managing to attend the assessment on your own can become a reason to say you `came alone` or travelled on the bus. They will also skirt around things like you were able to meet someone you have never met before? So what are we supposed to do, not turn up?
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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 15 Oct 2018 14:56 #10547

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"MP raises fears thousands of benefits claims have been 'tampered' with

Almost 70,000 people who receive disability support have had their assessments “audited” by the Department for Work and Pensions since 2015.

But critics have raised concerns such audits are being carried out by officials who were not present during the initial assessment.

It comes after SNP MP Marion Fellows, who represents Motherwell and Wishaw, highlighted the case of one constituent who suffers from multiple sclerosis.

The 50-year-old had his payments stopped after an “auditor” altered sections of a nurse’s report.

The original said the man, from Motherwell, required “specialist input”, while the audited copy said he did not.

Likewise, an assessment that he “needs prompting” to prepare a meal was changed to say he could prepare a simple meal himself."

www.heraldscotland.com/news/16982248.mp-raises-fears-thousands-of-benefits-claims-have-been-tampered-with/
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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 15 Oct 2018 15:42 #10548

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These assessments are full of misinterpretations and computerised garble that people can`t even understand half the time. A lot of it repeats itself for different stages of the assessment on answers given like this example - "Can do light housework` under two or three descriptors, when it only applies to one. It`s as if whoever types the report up copy & pastes their replies. Shambolic sums it up just about right.
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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 17 Oct 2018 15:42 #10575

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"A young woman with a long-term condition learned her disability benefits were being cut the day she came out of hospital after having her bowel and rectum removed."

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The assessments seem to be getting much worse.
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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 17 Oct 2018 17:11 #10578

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And so it continues. Crohns is debilitating. Because this young woman has had a stoma bag fitted, they will see it as an improvement in her condition because her troublesome bowel has been removed (in part). That`s their ideology. There are stories like this posted every month about people having their PIP or ESA or BOTH stopped because of these `middle` men. It`s just as well her ESA is still being paid but no doubt they will have that in their sights next. Poor woman. :(
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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 17 Oct 2018 17:31 #10580

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The thing is (Sarcasm Follows) If you have No Legs, No Arms, Are Blind, Death & Dumb you will be the PERFECT Candidate for a Job as a Work Coach. :ohmy: :woohoo:

DWP Has ONE Priority; Get everyone OFF the Unemployment Figures, They have lost Millions with Lies & Tampering with the figures;
They are now resorting to Cutting Benefits by a LOT More; Anyone still left alive they will just "Kill Off";
Let me Out of this Country ...... :angry: :angry: :angry:
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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 17 Oct 2018 20:28 #10584

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It's about time the Labour Party put their money where the mouth is and made a solemn promise to wipe away all this bureaucratic bullshit 'provider type companies' the tories are insistent on keeping in place.

When something as prominent as this is brought to their attention of political parties again!! out they come with something along the lines of this imho 'we will look into this,blah blah blah. :whistle: 'How many decades do they need to invent a system that's fit for purpose going over the same debates year after year after year .

Well the evidence is there just get on and tick the appropriate box for the very unfortunate individual who needs HELP!! to live some kind of peaceful/quality of life. Not waste MILLIONS of taxpayers money on yet more 'provider companies' bloody hounding them with ideological ideas of how to make their life and others a living hell.

Maybe send her for an interview as a binman jumping on and off the back of dustcarts because that would all make sense wouldn't it. :whistle: :evil:

These situations have been going on for years and both parties have done bugger all to make a scrap of difference;if they had, then people like this woman would be obviously signed off until SHE thought SHE was ready for SOME type of 'work. :evil: ' I am positive any GP would agree.Now we know who wouldn't dont we and you have to wonder why that is. :whistle:



"The 50-year-old had his payments stopped after an “auditor” altered sections of a nurse’s report."
Id be seeking legal advice for sure. :whistle: :evil:
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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 17 Oct 2018 20:50 #10585

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TheFinnster wrote:
I remeber at my last apeal the moron turned around to me and told me how smarlty dresed and how clean i apeared witch was just a total slap in the face seeing as i deliberately wore the same clothes for 2 weeks and hadent showerd or shaved for 2 weeks.
i called him an idiot and questioned his competance and suggested his judgment was so bad that he wasent qualified to hold a position passing judgment on disabled claimants.
Didnt realy work for me though asi failed and they scored me zero points but I guess it just reinforced my opinion of how imcompetant they are.


Next time Finister maybe step it up a gear with some fresh dog pooh from the nearest alleyway and make sure you really prolong the conversation.Say you have a new hobbie in "fragrance design." :cheer:

Of course go in with a gas mask on saying that you are aware that as you smell SO bad its for your own health and safety as you are sure they will appreciate being so professional :whistle: :evil:


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The DWP just made a damning admission about benefit assessments 17 Oct 2018 23:14 #10587

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"I remember at my last apeal the moron turned around to me and told me how smarlty dresed and how clean i apeared"

Some tribunals appear to take the view that if you can make it to the hearing there is nothing wrong with you:

"19. The tribunal then decided that the claimant could attend interviews because she had been able to meet with the tribunal, the psychotherapist and the approved healthcare professional at various dates before and after the date of the decision. In other words, a claimant who is receiving psychiatric help and who attends the medical examination and the tribunal hearing is to be treated as able to attend work-focused interviews as well. In order to stand any chance of persuading a tribunal otherwise a claimant has to be so disturbed as to be unable to receive psychiatric help or to attend a medical examination and a tribunal hearing."

They can also have an exaggerated sense of the Jobcentre's power to do good:

"20. The statement of reasons went on to state “The Tribunal is of the opinion that the staff at the jobcentre are fully qualified and will work with the specialist services that are already involved in order to carefully rehabilitate [the claimant] to the position whereby she can re-enter the employment market."

www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKUT/AAC/2014/35.html

It is maybe safest to have two friends carry you in on a stretcher!
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