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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 19 Oct 2018 17:51 #10624

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Jonathan Bartley, the co-leader of the Green Party, has labelled the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP)’s sanctions regime “a fucking disgrace” at a meeting in parliament:

As Disability News Service reported, Bartley was at a meeting for the launch of a study examining the impact on disabled people on Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) – particularly those in the Work Related Activity Group (WRAG) who’ve been sanctioned.

The meeting also left one peer in tears after a claimant described how the sanctions regime had made him suicidal.
“Where your mental health disappears overnight”

The study written by academics at the University of Essex and Inclusion London. As The Canary previously reported, it’s subtitled Where your mental health disappears overnight. It describes the sanctions regime as “perverse and punitive” [pdf 5]. Other key findings include:

All participants in this study that engaged with the ESA WRAG had significantly detrimental effects on their mental health.
Despite wanting to engage in work-related activity, many participants found WRAG prioritised less meaningful tasks.
People were asked to engage in activity that undermined their self-confidence and required them to understate their previous achievements. This included a claimant told to take their degree off a CV or face being sanctioned to avoid looking overqualified.
The impact of sanctions was life threatening for some participants. The underlying fear instilled by the threat of sanctions meant that many participants described living in a state of constant anxiety.
The incentives designed to encourage people to engage in work related activity are based on psychological theory from the field of Behavioural Economics. The study concluded that these models of behaviour change are not applicable for disabled people accessing benefits.

www.thecanary.co/trending/2018/10/19/the-dwp-sanctions-regime-is-condemned-as-disgrace-by-the-green-party-co-leader/
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 19 Oct 2018 17:58 #10626

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Its very Clear to any Decent Person right across the British Spectrum, That on every level Sanctions are WRONG,
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Its just McVile & May, together with the Ignorant Tory Cabinet that cannot see or Understand. :angry:
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 20 Oct 2018 10:27 #10630

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If people started to realise voting for the Tories and then Labour in a political game of ping pong (although not this Labour party) was doing nothing for us except plunging us deeper into hell, why don`t people start voting in the Greens, Labour and independents who WOULD make the changes we want? What the hell is wrong with society when they are too scared to change to a party that would scrap many of these draconian rules? That`s why I vote SNP because they are at least trying. Okay, they are not perfect and can be slow to implement changes, but we already have a Scottish Social Security system now up and running. It`s only a matter of time before ALL benefits come north. Although this is all fine as long as the SNP remain in office. If Scotland ever seen a surge in Conservatism, having our own powers would mean nothing.
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 21 Oct 2018 11:49 #10641

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comply or die wrote:
If people started to realise voting for the Tories and then Labour in a political game of ping pong (although not this Labour party) was doing nothing for us except plunging us deeper into hell, why don`t people start voting in the Greens, Labour and independents who WOULD make the changes we want? What the hell is wrong with society when they are too scared to change to a party that would scrap many of these draconian rules?

I think the main Problem why the mass majority Dont change there voting preferences, Is the old chestnut, "If you Vote for party X you will let in the party you Dont want
into power.
Lots of "New" Party's in recent years have been formed, a few have done well for 1 or 2 Elections then Dissipated without a trace.
The Biggest and most Critical Part is Hard Cash, The Tory s have People standing with Million's of Pounds behind them, While Labour are Working People with little cash behind them, At the same time Scottish & Welsh Party's are permanent cash strapped, So cannot run expensive campaigns,
Thats when you get People Out to Vote in the First Place !.
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 21 Oct 2018 15:49 #10653

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And not forgetting social media and the press who can manipulate minds the wrong way. If a party is saying in their manifesto and repeating what their plans are and people want that to happen, they should just VOTE for it. Don`t overthink the economy of lies. I voted to leave the EU but now want to remain! The reason being I think this whole farce has been brought about due to the arguments around immigration an not much else. The thing is, governments are not willing to negotiate on single arguments and come to a sensible agreement on free movement, trade etc...if they did, Brexit would not be happening. And don`t forget it was Cameron and his goons that brought this vote about.
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 22 Oct 2018 11:51 #10657

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I voted to leave the EU but now want to remain! The reason being I think this whole farce has been brought about due to the arguments around immigration an not much else.

I think you are not alone on this, I voted Leave purely on the Immigration Issue, Not realising the floodgates of shit that has now been opened;
IF there was a second Poll I would now Vote Remain in the EEC, And Im Guessing a Lot of other people would now do the same.
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 22 Oct 2018 11:56 #10658

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And Why was Immigration such a Key point in the Brexit Vote ?
Well look no further then my Post Here;

welfarecentral.org/index.php/forum-home/chatroom/2089-anjem-choudary-radical-preacher-released-from-prison

With people like that running around preaching Hate and Killing British people, Is it any Wonder so many people went along on the singal Issue to leave Europe,
Once again we were manipulated and lied to,
"Please Europe Can I come back in"
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 22 Oct 2018 13:13 #10662

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Agree Paul. I think if people are fed enough propaganda on a particular subject that is bound to cause resentment, it`s immigration. I`ve been watching Simon Reeve`s Mediterranean documentary on BBC2 on a Sunday evening for the past three episodes and during his documentaries, he has met people in Libya, Lebanon, Gaza and a few other places where people are desperate to be able to live and provide for their families. Now, when we put ourselves in their position, I wonder then how difficult it would be to recognise why they try to get to Europe and escape war and famine. Another thing that came across to me was, no matter what their beliefs or ways, people are all the same! We laugh, we want the same things and most of all, equality.

It`s not the people on the street who are to blame, it`s those in POWER who are stirring up all these problems. THEY are supposed to be in power to run their countries and make sure their citizens are cared for. That just isn`t happening.
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 22 Oct 2018 13:38 #10664

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don't go having doubt in your choice to leave i voted leave and still stand by my choice the EU are a bunch of un elected tools who don't govern with consent of the people paid ten times more than our own politicians here in the UK and most of them don't have a clue what they are voting for half the time
article 11-13 only strengthened my conviction in that belief when I saw sargon and count dankulas videos on it when they attended the EU for the vote



its time to execute order 1776 gas the boomers :evil:
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 22 Oct 2018 15:27 #10667

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Finnster wrote: EU are a bunch of un elected tools who don't govern with consent of the people paid ten times more than our own politicians here in the UK

I`ve heard this said Finnster but when there are French, German, Swiss elections etc.....what exactly (or WHO exactly) are these EU members in the EU parliament? If they are unelected, why are they there? I`m obviously missing something! :huh:

Like many others who voted to leave, I did so because I truly thought the UK could and would be a better place. I still think that, but as the weeks and months have gone by, we hear more and more about problems with the Irish border, Scotland being dragged out of the single market and not being able to negotiate staying in once we are forced out. Now we hear they want an extension. Or rather, delaying the inevitable perhaps because the Tories will benefit from it.

Those two guys have given us a bit of an insight to what goes on and the voting by `hands in the air` and not really understanding much about the impact of that decision is scary. I wonder if Universal Credit was introduced over there that the EU building would be surrounded by people piling tires around the building and setting fire to them!
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 22 Oct 2018 16:39 #10668

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as far as im aware the EU get to choose there own memebers from meber states technichaly the whole unelected thing inst 100% true since the EU itselff votes on who they will let in to there club but they are not chosen by the people
then again im not an expert on the EU so i might be a little confused on the ins and outs all i know is we the UK citizens don't get a choice in who represents us in the EU and if they make unpopular decisions the public don't agree with we have no power over them we cant not vote for them to get rid of them the who thing comes across and very undemocratic
and another thing that i dont like about the EU is that we have no control over our own laws the EU passes laws and member states are forced to adopt them even if we don't agree we have essentially given up our country's sovereignty to a foreign body of what appears to be essentially a bunch of business men who want to build a private army to help enforce there trade regulations

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/961570/eu-army-european-union-news-guy-verhofstadt

the idea of the EU with an army should be worrying to you this from an organisation that is actively trying to undermine forign democracy in italy and instal its own puppets who ignore democratic votes they are a tyrannical organisation and we made the right decision to leave

www.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/europe-has-a-democracy-problem/
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 22 Oct 2018 17:48 #10669

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I think therein lies the problem Finnster that many peeps like ourselves know very little about the EU beast, what it stands for and only go by what we read and hear. We get snapshots of what it is, but nothing more grounded than that unless we are political animals who spend much of our time trying to find out what goes on. If we are not going to have a 2nd referendum on the EU deal (if we even get one),, then we will just have to accept the outcome, whatever that is. Scotland is part of the UK so what will be, will be. I`m just not convinced either way it will mean the UK will prosper more and enjoy trade deals with nations outside of the EU. But then again, it might. If it gave us the best of both worlds, then it could be a win-win situation.

The British empire as it once was is now a weed in a very large field. But weeds do tend to keep growing even after they are doused with weed killer! I did spot someone on TV a few days ago during that Brexit march with a banner saying "Brexit = Trump". :dry: Now that IS worrying.
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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 22 Oct 2018 18:26 #10670

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brexit = trump lol that stuff makes me laugh the media has the entire world wiped up in to a frenzy about him but my opinion of him is that he's actually a good president and he's doing exactly what he promised to do i don't agree with his policy's but if I had been an American I would have voted for him for the simple reason he was the lesser of two evils
and when they lost the real evil showed there utter contempt and lack of respect for the democratic decision of the nation by trying to have him impeached pretty much as soon as he stepped in to office they call him a misogynist coz he dosent believe in the gender pay gap even tho its been thoughtfully debunked many times over they call him a racist when he tightens up immigration coz he's a nationalist he literally dose the same thing obama done :ohmy: nationalist and racist aren't the same thing but the media do a great job of making the public think that and stirring up trump hatred
again i just wana say I am not a trump supported and i don't agree with his allot of his policy's but that being said i do have alot of respect for him for considering what he's up against and the fact that he is wining and I don't buy in to the narrative that he's anywhere near as bad ad the corrupt sore loser media paint him out to be

i do enjoy a good trump meme tho

www.google.com/search?q=orange+man+bad&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=y4HByHoh1NyltM%253A%252CyD_TYSOKGm8juM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kQKu8E9Qyf8J8wxZg8qfsodThNWkA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_7t3Ex5reAhWSGuwKHRb5BtkQ9QEwAHoECAUQBA#imgrc=y4HByHoh1NyltM:

heres a great example of what he's up against with the media

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The DWP sanctions regime is condemned as a ‘f**king disgrace’ by the Green Party 22 Oct 2018 20:38 #10673

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One HUGE Gravy train of which will hopefully come to a grinding halt very soon!

No doubt the will still all award themselves huge pensions protected by this and that and funded by us all in one way or another. :evil:
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