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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 11 Dec 2018 15:51 #11980

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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed disabled people

The 'Intensive Personalised Employment Support' programme will provide personalised employment support for long-term unemployed disabled people.

Disabled people will be able to work with a dedicated key worker to get and stay in employment, the new Work and Pensions Secretary Amber Rudd has announced.

The support comes from a new £40 million fund and is expected to benefit 10,000 people.

The Intensive Personalised Employment Support programme will provide highly personalised packages of employment support for people who are at least a year away from moving into work.

People will get coaching to help build their independence, confidence and motivation, as well as work experience to help boost their career prospects.

Secretary of State for Work and Pensions Amber Rudd said: “Everyone, no matter what their background is, should have the opportunity to thrive in the workplace, and having the right support in place for disabled people is one of my greatest priorities.

welfareweekly.com/dwp-announce-50m-employment-support-package-for-long-term-unemployed-disabled-people/
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 11 Dec 2018 18:36 #11991

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"The voluntary scheme will be rolled out across England and Wales in 2019, and applicants will receive support for up to 21 months, including 6 months of in-work support for those who get a job."

Will work coaches know that it's voluntary? :unsure:
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 11 Dec 2018 23:04 #11994

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Oh wow aren't we so lucky to have such a caring humanitarian govt. I simply can't wait to read the latest list of workfare provider contract winners, bet they are rubbing their hands with glee at the cheap easy to push around surplus labour with nil employment rights queueing up to grab a hold of all this wonderful support. What about the Work & Health Programme? Failed already?
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 12 Dec 2018 11:01 #12004

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For a moment there I thought this programme was going to be UK wide but it doesn`t mention Scotland? Haven`t read the whole link though so have I missed something?

Verc wrote: What about the Work & Health Programme? Failed already?

Sounds to me as though both might run alongside one another The W&H programme possibly used for those who are mandated (rather than voluntary participants) but more long term unemployed, or who also have barriers because of long term health issues and this new programme to be aimed at those who have been on or (are) on ESA or have been chucked off ESA after failing at appeal but who would still HAVE health problems regardless. Something I always fear happening to me.

These cretins won`t let up on this until we have a different mindset in government. And maybe then these `programmes of help` will actually DO that. Under the Tories it`s all smoke & mirrors hiding the real reason behind this notion that they are `helping` people hen they are doing the exact opposite. If this new scheme IS voluntary, it will be a first and probably only aimed at those who have a significant disability or WANT the help. Anyone else will be told it`s the H&W programme and it`s mandatory.

Edited to add: Just read the article and if you read the two comments left beneath it, both commentators are in the same view of many in the WRAG of ESA (as I am) who are coerced into doing some - `work related activity` when we sometimes can`t even think straight or be in too much pain to leave the house. This is a fight I`ve had for a long time and still can`t convince them each time they assess me that I should be placed in the Support Group because in their words, I suffer from a LONG TERM CHRONIC problem, yet they think it`s fine to tell me I`m able to work or to carry out work related activity when my headaches would floor anyone who thinks a headache is moderate and they take the odd paracetamol and can carry on. Try nursing what is essentially a bad toothache in your head for four days and see if you can sit happily at a workstation.
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 12 Dec 2018 13:37 #12012

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Just been told after xmas ill be sent to Shaw Trust under the WHP. Last time i went there as a volunteer and wernt impressed as all they wanted was me to commit to sitting at a computer desk job searching. The joy of having a invisible illness. These muppets aint got a clue. Do hope the advisor has moved on as i had him when at A4e for well over a yr. On my home computer i use voice software ( not very well) track ball mouse, foot mouse gel mat plus arm supports that i can put on and off to the computer desk Think ill be needing reasonable ajustments to make full use of Shaw trust.
My advisor peed me off a litte as she was 30 min late not ideal when parking in expensive spaces in the run up to xmas plus she laughed when i mentioned ajustments. This is what we are up against folk who dont have a clue.
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 12 Dec 2018 14:12 #12013

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TW35 wrote: she laughed when i mentioned ajustments.

She`ll be the one laughing TW if you get a fit note from your GP stating that you require such adjustments or CANNOT participate in their little game.

You wrote: On my home computer i use voice software ( not very well) track ball mouse, foot mouse gel mat plus arm supports that i can put on and off to the computer desk Think ill be needing reasonable ajustments to make full use of Shaw trust.

So you take this advice to your GP and if not on a fit note, on a short summary that states the reasons why you require these adjustments. Lets see then if they fail to make these` reasonable` adjustments or face discrimination charges.

Check out the Equality 2010 (you probably have already) but quote the `substantial adverse effects` that not having these adjustments made would cause to you in terms of pain or other difficulties.
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 12 Dec 2018 14:22 #12014

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This copy & paste is taken from a freedom of information request I saved regarding mobile phone number/ownership but within the DWP response, they say this:

4) DWP has a legal duty under the Equality Act to make reasonable adjustments in all the
following circumstances:

Where a disabled person is at a substantial disadvantage in relation to a relevant
matter in comparison with a non-disabled person we must remove or alter what we do to
avoid the disadvantage. This could be a certain practice or physical feature.

Where, but for the provision of an auxiliary (supporting) aid, a disabled person
would be put at a substantial disadvantage in relation to a relevant matter in comparison
with a non-disabled person we take reasonable steps to provide the auxiliary aid or service.

Where the adjustment relates to the provision of information, .i.e. letters and
correspondence, then this should be provided in an accessible format. For example this
could be large print, braille, audio. It could also include the contents being read to the
customer by a friend, representative or a member of staff.

If you have any queries about this letter please contact me quoting the reference number
above.
Yours sincerely,


DWP Strategy FoI Team

Your right to complain under the Freedom of Information Act

So from this alone, DWP MUST action reasonable adjustments for anyone requiring assistance to perform a task if they cannot do so without the adjustment being made.
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 12 Dec 2018 14:43 #12015

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Ty COD Do get on with her usually and she has been more than good with me in truth. Have book marked the Equality act cheers. May need it. Pretty sure they have a fit note about my RSI and using computers but not the Fibro which plays havoc with my shoulders/ head neck aches. Obviously i can use them but no way for any sort of time. Spend alot of time with music videos on. Weird as tapping keys i have to use 2 pens as fingers get really sore. The joys of having a chronic condition. A4e and Maximus shut apparently so they clearly failed. Shaw trust looks like its moved so biger place no doubt. Half hr by car or 2 bus rides by the look of it. Got ball ache writ all over it :angry:
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 12 Dec 2018 16:18 #12019

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If memory serves me well, Shaws Trust were in place previously as disability advisory people when claimants were sent onto employability type courses. Haven`t dealt with them personally but they have had contracts before for various set up`s. Even in Scotland.

What you should do TW is get started on a written statement detailing your physical limitations and the reasonable adjustments you require and set those out in a summary of bullet points. You could use a template similarly to the vulnerability letter but modify it to your own circumstances:

See here my copy and paste of the template:

Your Name:
Your Address:
National Insurance Number:
Date:

DWP Job Coach

Dear Sir/Madam
I am writing to ask you to take into account the following issues which I have when deciding my claimant commitment.
Type of problem Details





Yours faithfully
(Signature)

This template/form is for when agreeing a Claimant Commitment but you can omit the words work coach & claimant commitment and put Statement of Health and Reasonable Adjustments within the letter. Try scribbling out a version using a pencil and A4 paper and transfer it to a typed- printed copy before you see these people after Christmas. Better to be prepared and let them know your requirements and why you are participating.
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 12 Dec 2018 23:59 #12026

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I still have a couple of axes to grind with Shaw Trust if they descend on me - after the snooty advisor got a job with a company and 8 of us were invited along for a demo apparently with jobs already waiting for us only when we got there not informed beforehand (aye aye) then it didn't get off the ground and I never heard from this woman for 3 months nor the firm after the first training session over the phone. Shaw Trust covered for her which is odd unless of course they are in cahoots. I reckon they did it to qualify for some funding by signing so many disabled people up. And as for the job coaching holy cow they make joke central look professional.

Anyway nice work comply, I shall have a think about all that at the same time I am filling in my latest ESA50 re-assessment and tailor it accordingly. One adjustment I can think of is my qualifications mean I should reasonably expect £12 ph so I hope they have a nice list of jobs for us to choose from for when we get to the end as a way of incentive. It is the way they assume we are all starting from scratch that is possibly the best to catch them out. Are they even interested in matching skills, I doubt it enters their heads as the goal is to get people off benefits anyway they can. The amount of time I shall need off would just see me getting sacked anyway so what is the point. As TW35 says...invisible illness but when you are invisible because you couldn't get out of the house...they always side step where I explain this making it pretty damn obvious what they are up to.
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 13 Dec 2018 09:36 #12036

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Verc wrote: As TW35 says...invisible illness but when you are invisible because you couldn't get out of the house...

Indeed. I have also seen myself become a bit more OCD over the past few years where I get snappy about the smallest detail or I pace around at the same time each morning until the post person has gone past the door. It`s as if I`m expecting to hear from DWP each day and that thought remains in my head for no apparent reasoning. But the expectation of it becomes menacing. I shouldn`t be living like that and neither should anyone else on ESA WRAG need to.

Verc wrote: I should reasonably expect £12 ph so I hope they have a nice list of jobs for us to choose from for when we get to the end as a way of incentive. It is the way they assume we are all starting from scratch that is possibly the best to catch them out.

Another good point. The way things are now, when on UC claimants are expected to take ANY job that`s within their remit and this would be the mentality of the providers no doubt too.
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 13 Dec 2018 13:42 #12048

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For a moment there I thought this programme was going to be UK wide but it doesn`t mention Scotland? Haven`t read the whole link though so have I missed something?.

Here are the latest figures for starts on 'Fair Start Scotland' by Contract Package Area :

www.gov.scot/publications/foi-18-03419/
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 13 Dec 2018 13:49 #12050

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pretty sure like the WHP its not mandatory in Scotland but I could be wrong but its probably why the figures are so low.
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 13 Dec 2018 14:12 #12052

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"Of the 9,789 people who were referred to the service during the same period, 5,140 (53%) subsequently chose to participate."

Fair Start Scotland is voluntary. Full details and stats:

www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-devolved-employment-services-fair-start-scotland-2018-quarters-1-2-work-first-scotland-work-scotland-2018-quarter-2/pages/4/
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This Fair Start SOUNDS good on the surface and I`m not knocking it, but it does seem to me to be another of those `we can help you into work` only if you CAN work. I copies this from the literature within the link Searcher provided:

12.5.7. providing such assistance as the Customer may reasonably require to ensure that any required health related support which should be available to the Customer through other channels, are properly accessible to the Customer. Such activity may include providing assistance to the Customer with information about available services, providing assistance to enable the Customer to arrange and attend appointments, liaising with any external providers of such support (with the consent of the Customer) where appropriate to benefit the Customer’s progress under the Work Able Scotland Programme, and/or in relation to the support services being provided to the Customer by such third parties. Examples of the third party support topics may include, without limitation:- a. Pain management b. Managing musculoskeletal conditions c. Healthy eating d. Cognitive behavioural therapy e. Managing mood f. Physiotherapy; and g. Occupational therapy

PAIN MANAGEMENT? COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL THERAPY etc,etc…... :huh: Depends what they mean here where they refer to `Third Parties` meaning, are they saying we can put you in contact with therapists or are they saying it`s all part of the programme? I`m not a statistical analysist unless it`s related to horse racing.....so all those percentages and pie charts don`t really mean much to me.

It also states 2018/19? So is fair Start going to be continued and funded further? It was a programme I could have asked about with my work coach when it first started, but participating in anything that insists we must do so for at LEAST 16 hours a week isn`t something I can manage even if I was volunteering. So lacking the means to be fully prepared (or able) to acknowledge such a demand is beyond my current state. Otherwise I may have looked more into it.

As it is, the Fair Start programme is aimed at people on ESA or who have a diagnosed disability but are able to work, and have not been able to gain employment. It`s a shame it`s not including people who may feel they might benefit from such a programme, but are not allowed to join because they don`t `fit` the criteria for referral.
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 09 Jan 2019 12:28 #12708

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Back from JCP and they are moving forward with my referal to the WHP. Interesting is she said i could go voluntry or mandated. Either way its happening. Not very voluntry one could argue. I ask to be mandated and interestingly enough it goes to a gateway (as she worded it to me) to see if they will accept you. My view is they must of been sent loads who have no chance of working and they thin you out b4 you go. Wonder what happens to the ones who are not selected and why ? Discrimination ?
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TW wrote: Interesting is she said i could go voluntry or mandated

I would have said VOLUNTARY please and then wait for the referral letter (which they MUST send to you). Strange she gave you the choice though but then again, I don`t think this W&H programme knows itself who they should be `helping` until they can meet the person, or determine if they can make any profit from them. They would have no bloody chance with me and I would actually tell them that. If your in a position where you know you either (a) can`t work reliably or can`t repeatedly carry out workplace actions in a timely manner, tell them this from the outset. Especially if you are likely to suffer `adverse effects` from actioning any physical function you cannot do.
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DWP announce £40m employment support package for long-term unemployed & disabled 09 Jan 2019 15:12 #12714

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Oh Yes there has been much Misuse of the Term, VOLUNTARY, and MANDATORY;
Reminds me of (Many) Years ago on "Community Service" we all got told it was Voluntary, Oh Yer, like hell, If you did not turn up for Any session during the Term
of your "Community Service" you found yourselves back in Jail.
So always get a Definition of exactly what they mean by; VOLUNTARY, and MANDATORY; ;)
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Known as Hobsons choice COD . GCSE English ;) . Fair run for me to get to there i no that. Least 2 buses from mine. Looking 3 hrs travelling a day. Should have the car most of the time hopefully so cuts it down plenty. Been on similar to WHP before so no way am i doing that unless mandated to do so. This work coach seemed ok with it.
Ill be doing more here than is in my claiment commitment by looks of it. Worried ill have a flair up just trying to do this WHP tosh.
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TW wrote: Fair run for me to get to there i no that. Least 2 buses from mine. Looking 3 hrs travelling a day. Should have the car most of the time hopefully so cuts it down plenty.

Just as well you HAVE the car TW because if this was me, I would be saying whooooaaaa there. THREE buses? Although I done all that s**t before when younger, but I`m unable to do a 20 minute bus journey one way these days and stick to it. If I was told I would be mandated to some cat on the mat course and it was 45 minutes away by bus, I would be fighting that one all the way given I`m restricted by pain just getting on a bus and walking around and that`s on a `better `day. Although I forget what that is now.
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