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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 11 Feb 2019 06:01 #14030

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DWP reject recommendations designed to protect vulnerable benefit claimants from financial hardship.

The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has come under fire after it refused to adopt of series of recommendations that are designed to protect vulnable benefit claimants from financial hardship caused by sanctions.

An investigation by the Work and Pensions Select Committee (WPSC) found that reducing or completely stopping a person’s benefit payments for failure to comply with arbitrary requirments is “pointlessly cruel” and often “counter-productive”.

However, the Government rejected the Commitee’s recommendation that claimants already found to have limited capability for work should be exempt from sanctions.

They also rejected the call that claimants who are waiting for a Work Capability Assessment should be exempt from sanctions if they have a “Fit Note” from a doctor saying they are unable to work.

And they rejected a recommendation calling on the DWP to define what it means by “good reason” for failing to meet a requirement that led to a sanction.

This is currently left to work coach discretion, which the WPSC says is inconsistent – the threat of being hit by a sanction could depend on where a person lives or how forgiving their work coach is.

welfareweekly.com/callous-tories-refuse-to-ease-pointlessly-cruel-benefit-sanstions-regime/
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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 11 Feb 2019 08:42 #14035

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Quote: stopping a person’s benefit payments for failure to comply with arbitrary requirments is “pointlessly cruel” and often “counter-productive”.

And they know it. Yet there they are on the other foot saying they understand mental health problems when the mere suggestion or action of removing someone`s lifeline (money) to survive on is not pointlessly cruel` then nothing is.

Quote: However, the Government rejected the Commitee’s recommendation that claimants already found to have limited capability for work should be exempt from sanctions.

They also rejected the call that claimants who are waiting for a Work Capability Assessment should be exempt from sanctions if they have a “Fit Note” from a doctor saying they are unable to work.

This just proves my point about treating individuals WITH a health problem or disability is falling on deaf ears and I have no idea why there is a `select committee` if all they can do is wave the finger and not achieve anything. They achieve bugger all.

Quote: This is currently left to work coach discretion, which the WPSC says is inconsistent – the threat of being hit by a sanction could depend on where a person lives or how forgiving their work coach is.

And work coaches are supposed to have guidelines just like claimants do. A sanction should never apply for anything within those guidelines and more importantly, if your Claimant Commitment doesn`t state something you didn`t action or it wasn`t put in writing, they don`t have a leg to stand on.
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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 11 Feb 2019 11:55 #14040

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The Idea of Sanctions is to persuade people who are Fit & Healthy to look for Work, Agree a CC that gives them the Biggest & Widest chance of getting a Job,
And not sit around all day on there play Station; expecting the Government to Finance there idle Lifestyle, Why should Tax payers pay out for People who are perfectly able to work.

What is Wrong with the system
is when a Person has a Medical Condition that Limits, or even stops them Working, This is The biggest problem facing many people today, But most Work Coaches Dont know/Wont follow the rules, And just rubber Stamp "Sanction" without bothering to check into the reasons.

With PROPER Training Courses that are Properly Tailored to a claimant with a Medical Condition, and not just a useless "Cat sat on the mat" crap.
Many more people in this situation would find employment, But that would mean the Government spending Money and Investing in People, And the buggers wont do that. :(
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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 11 Feb 2019 12:13 #14043

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Agree Paul. And it should START when someone leaves school, not when they are 18 or 21 when they have been left behind. The benefits system has not changed that much in the last 20 years apart from UC being implemented. When we look at other areas like the training courses they offer (if you can even call them training in the proper sense) to get life experience skills etc....they are not fit for purpose but short lived excersizes in control to force individuals to change their methology and mindset. Behavioral change is very much part of the governments thinking here. Their sanctions approach may work in terms of fear of the unknown, but it`s doing nothing for the mentality of jobseekers waving the flag of fear each time they are recalled in to meet their work coach knowing they could well be leaving with a flea in the ear or worse, their benefit being stopped for no reason other than that coach feels they have been negligent in one area or something is missing that could easily be explained away.
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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 11 Feb 2019 13:58 #14047

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Why should Tax payers pay out for People who are perfectly able to work.

I actually find myself in this category Paul I'm perfectly fit and able to work but the thing is i live in a fairly posh area and the rent in my property is fairly high and even working 40 hours a week I'm only something like 25 quid a week better off
so understandably I am not incentivised to give up 40 hours of my time a week for such a pittance and I feel its a massive failing on the governments part to properly incentivise me to go out and work thanks to stagnant rates of minimum wage
And its honestly not like I'm lazy and just have a poor work ethic because i have worked for most of my life but about 6 years ago or so i lost my job working with my father in law doing painting and decorating work because he got lung cancer and had to give up work because he just couldn't do it any more and that meant I had to start working for minimum wage witch I did do for the better part of a year but i the longer i did the job the more unhappy I became and eventually I had a full on mental break down one day and just had to quit before i ended up killing myself
And that's roughly where I found you guys on the old UM site not long after my break down when I first started claiming benefits and was getting non stop shit from them
so unless I can find a job that rewards me properly for my labour or even a job that makes me happy I'm simply not willing to work for the time being for the good of my mental health
Paulm10 recent post asking for help and advice about his situation really brought back some bad memories for me because it was pretty much the situation I was in and the only way I got out of it was to totally lose my shit in an epic fashion (ill spare you the grizly details) and a stay in a mental hospital while I recovered
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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 11 Feb 2019 14:29 #14050

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Universal credit: Ministers reject calls to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions on vulnerable claimants
'Tthe government has failed utterly to grasp the seriousness of the matter,' says Frank Field
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/universal-credit-benefit-sanctions-dwp-work-pensions-committee-amber-rudd-a8773451.html
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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 11 Feb 2019 14:31 #14051

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Tories SNUB pleas to rein in 'pointlessly cruel' benefit sanctions
New limits to the punishments were proposed in a damning report last year. But now DWP chiefs have rejected the plan - triggering a furious response
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-snub-pleas-rein-pointlessly-13979854
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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 11 Feb 2019 16:35 #14070

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I really don`t understand why they can justify acting the way they do punishing people for having to pay an individual £73.00 a week (money the law states you need to LIVE on) yet they are happy to throw hundreds of MILLIONS at private companies, lawyers and GP`s to carry out assessments on people who are either too ill to ever work again, or can`t hope to find another decent paying job because they are in their mid 50`s and already struggling with health conditions and won`t find another job especially if living in a location where jobs are just not there.

Finnster, thankyou for being honest about your situation and you will know what it feels like to have worked (like me and others on here) and then find yourself in a rut. So wanting things to change, but feeling hopeless because a system chooses to treat you badly just because they can if they so wish. We all know this can`t go on but we don`t see anything changing at all, just a worsening scenario where we are now chained to an online system called Universal Credit. There IS no escape unless you are lucky enough to find a fulltime job that pays well or you win the Lottery.
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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 11 Feb 2019 17:17 #14073

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TheFinnster wrote:
Why should Tax payers pay out for People who are perfectly able to work.

I actually find myself in this category Paul I'm perfectly fit and able to work but the thing is i live in a fairly posh area and the rent in my property is fairly high and even working 40 hours a week I'm only something like 25 quid a week better off
so understandably I am not incentivised to give up 40 hours of my time a week for such a pittance and I feel its a massive failing on the governments part to properly incentivise me to go out and work thanks to stagnant rates of minimum wage
And its honestly not like I'm lazy and just have a poor work ethic because i have worked for most of my life but about 6 years ago or so i lost my job working with my father in law doing painting and decorating work because he got lung cancer and had to give up work because he just couldn't do it any more and that meant I had to start working for minimum wage witch I did do for the better part of a year but i the longer i did the job the more unhappy I became and eventually I had a full on mental break down one day and just had to quit before i ended up killing myself
And that's roughly where I found you guys on the old UM site not long after my break down when I first started claiming benefits and was getting non stop shit from them
so unless I can find a job that rewards me properly for my labour or even a job that makes me happy I'm simply not willing to work for the time being for the good of my mental health
Paulm10 recent post asking for help and advice about his situation really brought back some bad memories for me because it was pretty much the situation I was in and the only way I got out of it was to totally lose my shit in an epic fashion (ill spare you the grizly details) and a stay in a mental hospital while I recovered

Do hope you dont think "Im having a Go";
But What the Country needs is a Policy that Includes, Benefits, Minimum Wage, & Decent minimum Income.
UC has tried to do this, But its been fundamental "Botched" not thought out and rushed out way to soon.
Minimum Wage is Far to Low, needs to be AT LEAST £12 per Hour (£96.00 per 8 Hour day) Income Tax Start Rate at £20,000 income per year.
And UC to cont to pay until you Hit This minimum income of £20,000 per year, Index linked to Inflation.
Just ONE Benefit that being UC and scrap all these other Bits and bobs all with there own qualifying Conditions that just confuses everyone.
With a Annual Pay Rise across the board with UC Index linked to it of say 2-3 % That Should please everyone, And give many more people a real Incentive to get a Job; While at the same Time anyone Who for whatever Reason cannot work, They will still have a living income.

Might sound a bit like "Universal Basic Income" but in all reality apart from the odd Experiment I cannot see that happening any time soon.
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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 11 Feb 2019 17:25 #14074

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Forgot to say in above post, UC Start Rate of £200 per week [ Including Housing Element ]
and then Varying from that start rate up to a Max £300 P/W
That clearly shows everyone would be instantly better of in work by £180 per week.

PS: Spent hours and a ton of scrap paper working this lot out, If I can do it; why not the Government :huh:
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Callous Tories refuse to ease ‘pointlessly cruel’ benefit sanctions regime 14 Feb 2019 14:33 #14202

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DWP slammed for not evaluating wellbeing cost of sanctions
www.publicfinance.co.uk/news/2019/02/dwp-slammed-not-evaluating-wellbeing-cost-sanctions
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