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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 01 Aug 2018 21:29 #9565

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Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has revealed that Labour is considering piloting the radical policy of universal basic income (UBI) if elected into government.

If utilised correctly, it has the potential to revolutionise the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

www.thecanary.co/opinion/2018/08/01/labour-is-considering-a-radical-policy-that-would-turn-the-dwp-on-its-head/
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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 02 Aug 2018 08:47 #9568

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With all the anti jewish thing going on and Corbyn being under attack, I fear Labour will lose big time unless they change their leader and the Tories mess up Brexit. A UBI is urgently needed in the UK but until that day comes we will be messed about until we retire.
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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 02 Aug 2018 10:41 #9572

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comply or die wrote:
and the Tories mess up Brexit.
They Have :)
A UBI is urgently needed in the UK but until that day comes we will be messed about until we retire.
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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 02 Aug 2018 12:03 #9573

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Implementing a UBI properly unlike allowing minimum wage to be below inflation and celebrating mass immigration for example would go some way to undoing the mess of the Blair/Brown years which set up the current situation so nicely for the tories. Sadly knowing labour it will be some half baked version which discredits and puts people off UBI for life.

What is good about this news though amidst the absolute shambles brexit was from the very moment they set a simple in/out referendum treating the UK public like dumb animals whilst they spend two years trying to keep us virtually in the eu minus any input is: comparisons with the ever failing UC could well begin in the media. No contest really is it - one virtually guarantees your housing costs will be covered giving your family a roof whilst the other kicks you in the nads for taking a job or bankrupts you for daring to start up your own business.

Interesting for me because when I bumped into Unite a few weeks back with their stall outside the JC they laughed and were dismissive when I mentioned UBI but when I got home and checked out their website are wholeheartedly behind labour in spite of some of the policies they campaign against being created by that (currently very divided) party. Political loyalty seems to have a direct impact upon peoples' memories. The reality remains that both major parties have between them contributed to a half century of failure and each only regains office through the incompetence of the other. It might be the best for democracy if they splintered and the elections proceeded on similar lines to Denmark or Italy where coalitions are formed at the beginning of the campaign showing a commitment between parties to work together for the greater good. Then again looking at Northern Ireland, there is no telling where it could all end up.


The current issues labour are having with anti-semitism don't particularly strengthen Corbyn's position as a leader and it is a difficult hot potato but if he handles it well could be the making of him. The blairites will already be plotting, you can count on that. I never forget that politicians have a tendency to sway with the breeze leaving people feeling cheated when they get in office and thus I am less disappointed with my expectations of them.

As we seem to be locked into a short termist era I think the best to hope for is this does indeed put pressure on the sitting govt to uturn on UC. Mind you that will probably result in a few years of chaos trying to put back all the pieces of the system as it was before they started meddling - oh and then there will be the compensation to sort out. It would be a bit like replacing all the snooker balls after Alex Higgins made a foul shot.
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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 02 Aug 2018 12:19 #9574

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It’s policies like UBI that the UK right-wing media are afraid of. That’s why they are so anti-Corbyn. And drumming up anti-Semitic allegations against him at the drop of a hat. They have given up trying to attack him in other ways, as they see this as his Achilles’ heel. They will be very surprised when Labour wins the next election.

Already the right-wing press are attacking Labour's UBI idea:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/labour/article-6015105/Labour-set-endorse-universal-basic-income-John-McDonnell-says.html

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/997134/Labour-news-Shadow-Chancellor-John-McDonnell-Universal-Basic-Income-trial
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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 02 Aug 2018 17:10 #9578

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With all the anti jewish thing going on and Corbyn being under attack, I fear Labour will lose big time unless they change their leader and the Tories mess up Brexit.
The Tories are already making a fine mess of Brexit. Also, Corbyn being ousted is exactly what the right wing media want. They're shit scared of him and would prefer the next leader of Labour to be a fecking Blairite...
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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 02 Aug 2018 17:10 #9579

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There really needs to be a TV debate big time on this particular subject and one that comes across as being not the something for nothing culture (as many of the newspapers and do-gooders would tout) but one that tells of allowing people a basic living like a starting point. If they then wish, they can use that starting point to earn more, or to use their time making their`s and other people`s live better, by contributing in other ways, but not being nannies by the state or cruelly left with no income should they fail to take up a government coerced appointment or cat sat on the matt training course that never aides anyone into a job.

I think the main negative would be that everyone would stop working. Well....lets say if everyone getting the JSA amount of £73.10p a week without having to work were happy to live off that, then yes, some may well accept not to look for work. But rents would also need to be covered, so if that £73.10p a week was expected to pay for a weeks rent, it wouldn`t even COVER rent in many areas of the country! My weekly rent is just under £80 a week, so my rent money would need to be covered also. So I`m not too sure how this would all play out exactly and how much each person would actually get in terms of a UBI and what exactly it would cover?

I`m all for it, but it`s all a bit Harry Potter as far as the Tories are concerned so any argument for a UBI would need to be highly convincing or the public would see it as a non starter and that would be a damn shame.
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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 02 Aug 2018 21:52 #9582

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I think the main negative would be that everyone would stop working. Well....lets say if everyone getting the JSA amount of £73.10p a week without having to work were happy to live off that, then yes, some may well accept not to look for work. But rents would also need to be covered, so if that £73.10p a week was expected to pay for a weeks rent, it wouldn`t even COVER rent in many areas of the country! My weekly rent is just under £80 a week, so my rent money would need to be covered also. So I`m not too sure how this would all play out exactly and how much each person would actually get in terms of a UBI and what exactly it would cover?
Everyone would be getting the same amount of money each week, regardless of how rich/poor they are. You can still look for work, even part-time, so you'll be getting whatever wages you earn on top of the UBI.
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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 03 Aug 2018 07:32 #9583

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First Things First. Labour (Or a True Dedicated Socialist Party) Is the Only Hope of anything like a future for Britain,
And the Right Wing Political Party's, Press, TV & Radio will fight, lie, Create Fake News, Do anything to keep the country in the Shit Hole it is now;
We have politics For the Rich, By the Rich.

UBI would level the playing field for Millions of Hard Working, poor People living in appalling Conditions, without
Proper Food, or even the Basic Necessitys of Life.
But it must be at a level that would Cover Rent, Food, Heat & Light & Clothing. Without Any Additional Benefits.
Then We Would be "All in it Together"
Allow everyone to Earn; Lets say £100 above the UBI Payment before Income Tax Kicks in, And at a Much Higher Rate
for the Rich then what it is now.
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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 03 Aug 2018 08:32 #9587

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Well said Paul. Especially this:

And the Right Wing Political Party's, Press, TV & Radio will fight, lie, Create Fake News, Do anything to keep the country in the Shit Hole it is now;
We have politics For the Rich, By the Rich.

And this is what needs to change. Tarquin is right too that these upstarts are running scared of Corbyn and that`s why there are weekly witch hunts against him and the Labour party. When Blair and Brown were in chanrge of Labour, they swung far to much to the right and now Mr Corby has changed that view, he`s having to fight off accusation after accusation and all the man is trying to do is to get the Labour party back to it`s roots and give people their dignity back. I hope it happens.
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Labour is considering a radical policy that would turn the DWP on its head 03 Aug 2018 11:55 #9591

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Here’s an article about the ploys the right-wing media use to make Corbyn and Labour appear anti-Semitic:

mondoweiss.net/2018/03/jeremy-semitism-hysteria/
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