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subleting/benifit entitlement 04 Aug 2018 23:19 #9602

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More and more lately i have been considering subletting out my spare room mainly coz im severely feeling the pinch of this bs benefit freeze crap and struggling to get by of late, especially when something goes wrong and i need to spend xxx amounts to fix/replace some random shit that just broke down plus i have a mounting list of things i want to get done with the house and just dont ever seem to have the funds.
so i wanted to ask if anyone ever had any experiance subleting in the past and if you know how it afects my benifit entitlement if at all do i have to pay taxes on my earnings ? allso where would i stand if i wanted to get rid of them for whatever reason if they turned out to be a shitty tennant ?
curently im renting my place from a local houseing its a 3 apt and im sorta liable for the bedrom tax tho currently its being paid from the discretionary houseing payment fund id assume id lose entitlement to that
my thinking is if i am paying the bedroom tax for the spare room and all then shouldent i be entitled to do what i want with it seems like the comon sence way to look at it but since when has the system ever made sence :angry:
Idealy id like to just charge £200 a month and keep it quite and not declare it at all but i thought i might look in to doing it legit see what id need to charge to be benifiting from it so its worth my time. My guess is they will take so much of my benifit away and i will need to raise the price so high no one will be interested :(
im still not even sure i wil end up subleting i have some reservations about the idea of renting to a stranger and got some worst case scenarios floating round my head like comeing home one day to an empty flat and finding a note from my tenant saying thanks for all the cool stuff. :evil:

So if anyone has any advice on how to help protect yourselff from those worse case scenarions or tips on stuff to look out for or any storys of past flat shareing problems you faced that might give me some insight in to some of the potential pitfalls i havent even considerd id like to hear your thoughts.
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subleting/benifit entitlement 05 Aug 2018 10:07 #9607

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First Check with your Local Housing Authority, Most Dont allow sub-Letting (Unless done unofficially, And if you get caught you will be evicted, Neighbours can be very nosy about this sought of thing)
If subletting is OK, You will loose Benefits, Call in at your local CAB (Dont ask at Job Centre or DWP) And at CAB ask about letting and Benefits
If all this clears Next thing is Put any agreement between you and a Tenant in Writing and Have a "Tenancy Agreement".
Decide on Rent, What about Bills (Gas, Water, Electricity, Heating, Laundry) is this included in the rent or Split 50/50.
Make sure to ask for a Deposit of say £200, to be returned at the end of the Tenancy If all is OK, Rent should be Monthly in Advance
Vet who you let to !
Most times it all works fine, But sometimes It Dont.
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subleting/benifit entitlement 05 Aug 2018 10:43 #9608

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Thankfuly my neighbours are decent and we get along and dont put our nose in each others buisness I have had flate mates in the past and never had issues with the neighbours as have they. The dif now tho is in the past they where all friends who had need of a room and and i offerd so I was allways able to have an oral agreement and understanding of what was expected and going on with the welfare situation so it was a win win situation for both partys they got cheap rent i got extra pocket money.
Not even sure how id breach that topic with a stranger who was looking to rent coz ultimately there would be no contract and they might feel a bit insicure about that sort of liveing arangment or worse they could be an asehole and try and report me.
id preffer to go down the legit route if posible and its not gona overly complicate things but theres alot ot consider at this point
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subleting/benifit entitlement 05 Aug 2018 12:34 #9610

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It all sounds like a good idea Finnster but as Paul said, NEVER go into this without (a) a legally signed agreement and (b) Housing Authority knowing about it. There should be some kind of loophole that allows social tenants with a spare room to rent if it`s paying (a) for the bedroom (tax) subsidy and (b) preventing the occupier from having to downsize if they could agree with their landlord about letting someone thespare room which makes economic sense really.

It`s one of those areas where you want to get CAB advice and google the consequences of doing it illegally. Don`t put yourself at risk. And trust nobody because we all have `nice neighburs` but I`ll bet if they thought you were making easy money they wouldn`t hesitate to pick up the phone and call the fraud line. Too many people out there without a bloody consience.
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subleting/benifit entitlement 05 Aug 2018 13:40 #9612

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neighbours realy are the last of my concerns appart from the guy next door who is up to no good and has his own stuff to hide and is a bit of an all round chancer himselff just wouldent cross that line with me and as far as the rest of my neighbours are concerned its a bought property like most of the houses around me coz thats what i told them when they moved in :evil:
One of the benifits of being the longest standing tenant in my tenament there houses and about 80% of the property around me is bought or rented out be private landlords so its not unrealistic to expect the same of the surounding property specialy seeing its such a nice area.
So as far as most of my neighbours know im totaly entitled to sub let ;)
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subleting/benifit entitlement 05 Aug 2018 14:58 #9613

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I suppose when it`s on a `need to know` basis and you know the person well you are sub-letting to and dealing in cash, nobody needs to know. But all the same, be careful.
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subleting/benifit entitlement 05 Aug 2018 15:07 #9615

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yeah thats kinda the problem in this instance is that id be leting out the room to a stranger and doing it under the table i fear may prevent me from takeing propper precautions and covering myselff so thats why im leaning towards doing it the legit way
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subleting/benifit entitlement 05 Aug 2018 15:53 #9617

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And the last thing you want is someone blackmailing you if you wanted them out for any reason and they refused. Vetting people is essential for this reason alone. After all, they would be sharing your home and you don`t want to jeopardise your own tenancy.

You earlier wrote: curently im renting my place from a local houseing its a 3 apt and im sorta liable for the bedrom tax tho currently its being paid from the discretionary houseing payment fund id assume id lose entitlement to that

So you have one spare room? Discretionary housing payments are not always long term either, but they can be depending on the local authority funds. In Scotland, nobody is supposed to pay the `bedroom tax` but I know some people locally who moved to a one bedroom place in order to mitigate paying the extra £14 a week.


It`s absolutely scandalous that everyone has to pay this EXCEPT home owners. Okay....I admit people who have bought their own home have that choice, but this tax is just another way to social cleanse and make the people who can`t afford it worse off.
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subleting/benifit entitlement 05 Aug 2018 17:47 #9620

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thanks Cod was an interesting read seems this is one area UC seems to get off lighter than those on other benifits i allmost wish i was on UC now nah wait a minute its a shity welfare system ill hold on to my JSA thanks :^P
definelty looks overly complicated enough for me to know im gona need someone like CAB to go over it with me
and yeah thankfully im in scotalnd so fuck the bedroom tax tho it dose kinda anoy me a bit knowing local councils are basicly left with that masive shortfall to deal with thanks to this goverments idiotic policys of refuseing to pay the bills properly and try and force an allready finacialy strugleing sector of society and tell them to pay it from the pitance they get
its no wonder shit like greenfell happend with councils masively underfunded
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subleting/benifit entitlement 06 Aug 2018 12:59 #9627

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Hello to a fellow Scot! B) Glad the link was a wee bit helpful to you. I`m sure if this can be done Fin, CAB should be able to tell you the legalities of it all and of course, any pitfalls involved. It`s the negatives you want to focus on mainly and whether they would be worth the risk or not. Glad to hear your covered by the discretionary payments. What the Scottish government need to do though is scrap this clause completely because what if the funding runs out and the Westminster `Bedroom` Tax regulation still stands? They told us they would SCRAP the spare room subsidy, yet all they have done is mitigate it by paying the extra money where it`s required. It`s like taking a drug to mask the pain. The pain is always there.
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subleting/benifit entitlement 06 Aug 2018 18:52 #9630

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yeah couldent agree with you more cod i had it hanging over me for a while at first when it came out and and did worry me alot coz the leter for the DHP said it was a temporary measure witch allways left me thinking they could pull the rug out from under me any time they felt like.
eventualy i had my brother move in for a couple of years there but hes recently moved on and now i have to worry about it again whole thing leaves me feeling very insicure about my liveing situation is it any wonder why most folk on benifits seem to suffer from depression and anxiety when they create such insecurites in our lives :(
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subleting/benifit entitlement 07 Aug 2018 08:46 #9632

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Finnster wrote: whole thing leaves me feeling very insicure about my liveing situation is it any wonder why most folk on benifits seem to suffer from depression and anxiety when they create such insecurites in our lives

Absolutely. This is what they have created, a fear that anyone in social housing is a target. I want to know what the Scottish government are doing here with this tax and whether or not they (and Labour for that matter) are actually planning to scrap it or are they pulling the wool over our eyes yet again with voting promises.


WE sacrifice a lot to keep our benefits running and feeling controlled by an automated system like Universal Credit doesn`t help.
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