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One of the reasons NOT to claim UC too early..... 09 Dec 2018 10:23 #11923

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Take some time to have a read through this courtesy of scottishunemployedworkers.net

scottishunemployedworkers.net/2018/12/09/my-journal-would-be-a-testament-to-how-well-uc-works/

Like me, if anyone out there currently on legacy ESA WRAG group is found `fit for work` after an ESA assessment and you plan on going down the Mandatory Reconsideration/Appeals route and you are asked to claim Universal Credit while this is happening.....think long and hard about it before you do.

(a) If you go on to WIN either at Mandatory Reconsideration stage or Appeal, you will LOSE your transitional protection payment of £29 a week that is currently paid under the old legacy ESA system (IF you have claimed ESA before April 2017). and (b) If your UC claim goes through, you will also have the same predicament this chap had/has with communicating through your UC journal. Once you read through the linked page you will understand what I mean.

Understandably, many people won`t have spare savings to live off during all these processes happening and will have no choice but to make a claim for UC, but if you do, try and hold off claiming UC until your ESA hearing is completed because it will mean you keep your payments in FULL after a successful appeal and will be asked to claim UC further down the line when people are being migrated over anyway. Just make sure you contact your council/landlord immediately any ESA payments are stopped.
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One of the reasons NOT to claim UC too early..... 09 Dec 2018 12:29 #11931

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If you find yourself in the situation described above id advise speaking to your local council and asking them to help you fill in a Nill income form to cover your rent(not sure if that's possible with private landlords) and ask the job centre for a food bank voucher to help feed yourself and allso ask for the energy voucher when you use the food bank voucher.
There is a safety net there to help you thought it is a shitty net but the energy voucher will keep the lights on and you can ration the food as appropriate and use multiple food bank vouchers over the period of time I think up to 3 vouchers per 3 months and each voucher will get you what is superposed to be 3 days of food like I said its an imperfect system if you gotta wait weeks to get your payments resumed but it could make all the difference if you find yourself in this situation.
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One of the reasons NOT to claim UC too early..... 09 Dec 2018 13:45 #11934

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Even more reason not to log your jobsearch on journal as anyone in the jc can have access to it.
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One of the reasons NOT to claim UC too early..... 09 Dec 2018 15:17 #11937

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Catwoman wrote: Even more reason not to log your jobsearch on journal as anyone in the jc can have access to it.

It`s not a UC requirement to upload a CV OR your jobsearch into a UC journal (according to DWP FOI requests) but the journal does have a `To Do` list which could be a communication from a work coach or request to attend an appointment, so we would still be required to sign into it daily, something that really don`t like or agree with. But because UC is an online platform, there doesn`t seem to be a way around it if we have a UC account set up.

Finnster wrote: If you find yourself in the situation described above id advise speaking to your local council and asking them to help you fill in a Nill income form to cover your rent(not sure if that's possible with private landlords) and ask the job centre for a food bank voucher to help feed yourself and allso ask for the energy voucher when you use the food bank voucher.
There is a safety net there to help you thought it is a shitty net

Indeed Finnster. I spoke to my own council just last week about this and was told if an ESA claim is stopped for any reason, they need to see two months bank statements, fill out a `change of circumstances` form and also a `nil income` form. This is crucial if you are to stay ahead. The food bank and energy vouchers I don`t know about but good to know.
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One of the reasons NOT to claim UC too early..... 09 Dec 2018 23:42 #11943

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Thanks c o d, especially about the housing side. I just got my ESA50 review through the post and I will be appealing the decision (assuming of course I will be given 0 points after being in WRAG for 12 months after Support group for 3 years). The form has changed a bit from 12 months ago that on first read seems a bit simpler to fill in and I notice it is back to ATOS admin. There is a great line on the reverse of the letter: "We know people are better off in work... ." Problem is my idea of being better off is having more money as opposed to the sheep mentality of merely being satisfied as one of the herd on 1hr min a fortnight - unless I can wangle one of the 2k an hour financial advisor roles MPs seem to fall into after leaving the school for scoundrels. I actually no longer want to contribute to the UK the state that it is in, they've about killed any incentives I could imagine up. Being given ESA whilst appealing is better than waiting however long it takes for UC to start coming through assuming again there isn't a cock up in the processing.
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One of the reasons NOT to claim UC too early..... 10 Dec 2018 12:57 #11951

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verc wrote: and I notice it is back to ATOS admin.

Verc, as far as I`m aware, ATOS do the PIP assessments now (with Capita) and NOT ESA? Maximus (or the HAAS (Health Assessment Advisory Service)?
At the bottom of my assessment appointment letter (due to be assessed in the next month) has the small letters AL1 09/18. My actual ESA50 form has ESA50 04/17 in the lower corner. Is yours the same Verc? Maybe they are using old AND new ESA50 forms? Mine seems to be the 2017 version.

I`ve always been in the WRAG group so don`t ever expect to be awarded a SG award even for a short time. I will be arguing my case to remain in the WRAG especially using the regulation 29 (2) (b) because although I`ve always managed to cling onto the few descriptors I meet and gain the 15 points for an award, I feel now that after considering where I am now and what I may not have included in previous arguments that I let myself down by not persueing this. I`ve also been looking closely at the Equality act 2010 and how this evaluates the `substantial adverse effect` on someone who has a health condition or a disability. It`s easy to overlook the fact that you have a mental health problem, but that mental health problem could also affect you physically, or vice versa. Meaning, one can impact on the other and cause `adverse effects` on how you would manage day to day tasks.

I feel exactly the same way as you do Verc regarding working and `just managing`. We all know getting out and about is good for the soul and the mind, but the act of physically or mentally trying to do something that you know will exacerbate your efforts needs careful thought.
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