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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 28 Dec 2018 19:06 #12451

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I came across this today and thought it was a joke.....and here was me thinking that it was my GP or consultant who were the professionals who were the ones who treated me and gave their evidence for any ESA award to be considered, yet here ee have something many people won`t have come across. See attached snip:

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Maybe I should just ask for some godly intervention instead? :huh:
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 28 Dec 2018 19:27 #12453

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i went to Lourdes bathed in the holly waters and unsurprisingly nothing happened latter that month i went to a dwp medical assessment and was miraculously cured :P

guess there bureaucracy is stronger than my faith :angry:
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 28 Dec 2018 19:55 #12454

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That wording of `non-medical treatment` seems to smack in the face of providing medical evidence? Can you imagine walking into a work capability assessment and being asked about the evidence you have provided in the form of written statement saying - "I practice meditation and tai chi" which alleviates much of my pain, but I still can`t work because I have a belief that prevents it. :huh:

Might try that one and print this off as my `evidence`.
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 29 Dec 2018 09:44 #12456

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I have no time for Religion, after Horrific childhood experiences, My parents were strict members of a cult church,
I got out & left home at 15, Today No religion for me,If you believe and dont smash the hell out of your kids OK,
but I put my faith in Science and Tech,
I would not get on my knees just yet Comply :evil:
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 29 Dec 2018 10:14 #12459

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Totally with you on that Paul. I think far too much of humanity is ruined by faith coming before anything else when it`s nothing more than a `belief`. We all need some interventions in life yes, but I get mine from nature and strength from learning that I don`t get even, I get angry. And it angers me a lot when I see people around this world being persecuted because they HAVE a faith, when the reality is, they are human, nothing more, nothing less. It`s the political correctness of it all and allowing a faith to become more than that. It shouldn't.

What would anger me the most is if the above extract meant that someone with a faith was able to sidestep things that someone who didn`t was mandated to do, is just not right, or fair. Work Capability Assessments are never easy to win anyway even for those who know they are too disabled to work. It just baffled me that this paragraph was there in the long list of LCW reasoning. I do `get` the fact that people can object to things like working in a McDonald`s if they are a Vegan or vegetarian for example. That would be accepted as good reason. Not being able to work in a dusty or smoky environment due to asthma, other breathing related issues. Another good reason. These are also consiensious objections so should be accepted as no go areas due to a persons lifestyle or health.
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 29 Dec 2018 16:56 #12468

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I wonder if they will accept KEK as the one true savior, i make daily meme sacrifices to him through his holy prophet Pepe "the perfect being" and i regularly recite the holy prayer of Shadilay on an almost daily basis. :lol:



Praise KEK May his memes show you the way. :P

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Meme magic is real google this stuff. :lol:
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 29 Dec 2018 20:08 #12469

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I Love your World Finnster Feel its Got Something Not sure what but feels good. :)
My Childhood Experiences mean I missed out on ALL Normal family Activity's,
Yet before I lost ALL Contact with the few remaining Family who had not disowned me, or had Died :)
They were SHOCKED how I had turned out, well it was NO surprise to me, Im now in a Very Good Place
And im staying There
Violent Religious Cults will have a Life Changing affect on Kids; And "The seventh day Adventist church" is the Worst of The Worst.
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 10:09 #12476

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It beats me too how many religions are allowed to run riot over communities and preach their way into people`s heads when history has shown this can be a powerful way to change the mindsets of the most vulnerable in society. All we need is compassion, understanding and to treat others the same. WE don`t need any religion to teach us good from bad. Some people will be bad for whatever reason, but they are not born that way.

When I get these bible people coming to the door and I allow them to say their piece, they always come across to me as slightly on another planet? Jesus will return and save us all....wish he would mate and save us all from the dark lords of DWP.
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 10:28 #12477

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Dont think there is to much wrong with C of E(or Scotland/Wales) providing they stay well clear of me ;) , Catholics are mostly OK providing you keep them away from Kids,
Its the Minority Cults that are very Dangerous & Twisted, Jehovah Witnesses, Adventists, Mormons, and so forth, all have roots in The Freemasons & the Occult,
not the thing any normal person should be associated with. ;)
Im better off with None of it, and I think the word has got around as none of them call at my Home. B)
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""I practice meditation and tai chi" which alleviates much of my pain, but I still can`t work because I my boss wont let me help myself :) "
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 11:03 #12480

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`belief`. at least we know thats 1 thing they have to take into "account" :whistle: :evil:
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 11:26 #12482

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I Just Watch LIVERPOOL Win Games; What else would anyone want. B)
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 12:16 #12483

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Now you have had fun bashing religion and belief.

We all know that the DWP would never accept the case in the first post on its own

Note the

may be sufficient

in the first post.
Toads - Philip Larkin
Why should I let the toad work, Squat on my life?
Can't I use my wit as a pitchfork And drive the brute off?
Six days of the week it soils,With its sickening poison -
Just for paying a few bills! That's out of proportion...
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 14:00 #12484

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Agree moogs. It wouldn`t be enough to just say you have a religious belief that prevents you from doing X or Y because they would require shedloads of evidence from your Church, your practicing methods of therapy and how that is applied and probably, your mental health status given that conventional medicine should also have been used and tried, although some religions prevent the use of these drugs and blood transfusions etc...My mum was brought up a Catholic but does not practice any religion. I was taken to church by my school at Christmas time like many kids are and quite honestly, I can`t see why this is still part of the cariculum? I`m just glad I wasn`t influenced by it.

For the record, I do `believe` Jesus was alive at some point in history....but I`m not too sure about him being a virgin birth since to achieve that, artificial insemination is required and I`m not sure that was available back in the those centuries. Or indeed Christ (the man) raised himself from the dead. Ben Hur is one of my favourite films and depicts some of the story of Jesus when the Romans were prowling the earth. Religion teaches us that we can be anything we want to be, to cherish life and to love and care for one another. All the things we can learn from birth without any religious intervention. All I see from religion is segregation, death and war. :(
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 14:16 #12485

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Couple of weeks ago I went to a jc group screening for aldi. Whilst attending everyone found out you had to start the job at 5am and it would take you 2 buses to get their as it was on the other side of London.
To get out of this screening half of the people attending said they can't work evenings or on Sunday s as they go to church.
The jobcentre accepted this excuse.
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 17:41 #12488

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Catwoman wrote: To get out of this screening half of the people attending said they can't work evenings or on Sunday s as they go to church.
The jobcentre accepted this excuse

Looks like this is real then. Seems having a `faith` can assist people who have a duty to the Lord and not the Secretary of State! Well blow me.....Just goes to show how religion has such power over authority sometimes. In this case, probably a good thing....if you can get away with it. On a serious note though, it also begs the question where we may have a bug-bear about working with anyone who smokes? I HATE the smell of tobacco smoke (always have) so I would never want to be working alongside people who have fag breaks and then sit next to me reeking of a tobacco factory all day. Given that many people DO smoke while working and will do so regardless of the rules, where does that leave someone like me? Can you imagine me walking up to a manager and saying I can`t work in here because S/he reeks of cigarettes?!! :dry: I would never want to be put in a position like that, but how the hell would I know if I was sent to some workplace or training course that this wouldn`t happen? What are MY rights?

Gets me thinking that we all have a right to refuse based upon things we can`t cope with.
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 19:24 #12491

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comply or die wrote:
. On a serious note though, it also begs the question where we may have a bug-bear about working with anyone who smokes? I HATE the smell of tobacco smoke (always have) so I would never want to be working alongside people who have fag breaks and then sit next to me reeking of a tobacco factory all day. Given that many people DO smoke while working and will do so regardless of the rules, where does that leave someone like me? Can you imagine me walking up to a manager and saying I can`t work in here because S/he reeks of cigarettes?!! :dry: I would never want to be put in a position like that, but how the hell would I know if I was sent to some workplace or training course that this wouldn`t happen? What are MY rights? .

I Suspect Joke Centre will tell you that "You are Putting up Barriers to Work" and Sanction you;
There argument being you will come across this in Daily life, so you will loose your argument.
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 20:06 #12492

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I think a better approach would be to claim some sort of respiratory health problem and say it agitates your health condition :evil:
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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 23:14 #12494

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2019 joining my local church :) :whistle:


"There argument being you will come across this in Daily life, so you will loose your argument."

I would reply never have done yet.Choosey with what sheep i mix with :lol:

If that did occur in my line of work something would be done as would it if someone stank as though they've been dipped in cat piss for hours.
No disrespect to the cats as i love em. :)

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Limited Capability for Work based on prayer....? 30 Dec 2018 23:23 #12495

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Catwoman wrote:
Couple of weeks ago I went to a jc group screening for aldi. Whilst attending everyone found out you had to start the job at 5am and it would take you 2 buses to get their as it was on the other side of London.
To get out of this screening half of the people attending said they can't work evenings or on Sunday s as they go to church.
The jobcentre accepted this excuse.

Catwoman what was the Aldi screening like, can you tell us a bit more about that 'event' ?

Did many appear interested or did you sense a dread in the room.The feeling that most were being sent to slaughter so to speak.
I see it's another grand position with great hours.Their total morons if they think many 40+ group will be signing up for that pile of muck with those hours and no doubt crappy money to match :whistle: :evil: .
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