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Find a Job Site Launched 14th May 2018 14 May 2018 18:49 #7506

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This morning the Find a Job site became active.

By opening a new Google Account under an assumed name I was able to log in and register on this site.

All I was required to do was give an email address and a password.

They sent a confirmation email to the email address that I gave them.

That was it. I’m on.

No other details or information was asked for. They didn’t even ask for my name.

There are 6 sections to pick from once you’re on:
1. Search for jobs
2. Your activity
3. Your CVs
4. Your email alerts
5. Your favourite jobs
6. Manage account

Simple enough, nothing to it. No demands made, mandatory or voluntary.

Messed around on the ‘Search for jobs’ option. Under 6,000 jobs from all over UK. 2 in my locality.
Well, its only the first day.

Clicked on the 2 jobs in my locality. Name and address of employer, not some faceless agency. Pictures and description of employer company. Again no demands for additional personal data. Just click to apply.

Date and time I clicked on the jobs listed in the ‘Your activity’ section along with job title and employer name.

Downloaded Acceptable use policy and Terms and Conditions for Employers for Find a job Service (the Site) while I was there. Find it pasted below:

Note well the very first condition:

Acceptable use policy
By using our site you accept these terms

Please read these terms of use and corresponding documents carefully. By using the ‘Find a job’ service you confirm that you accept these terms and that you agree to comply with them. If you do not agree to these terms, you must stop using the site and the online content immediately.

What is in this Policy?
This acceptable use policy sets out the standards DWP expects when you use the site (www.findajob.dwp.gov.uk), make contact with other Users on our site, link to our site, or interact with our site in any other way.

This site provides information about job opportunities by providing Users the platform to interact.

Your responsibility
You must keep your account details safe

If you choose, or you are provided with, an account or password or any other piece of information as part of our security procedures, you must treat such information as confidential. You must not disclose it to any third party.

We have the right to disable any account, whether chosen by you or allocated by us, at any time, if in our reasonable opinion you have failed to comply with any of the provisions of these terms of use.

If you know or suspect that anyone other than you knows your user password, you must reset your password promptly.

You must not solely rely on the information on this site

The content on our site is provided for general information only. It is not intended to amount to advice on which you should rely. You may wish to obtain professional or specialist advice before taking, or refraining from, any action on the basis of the content on our site.

Although we make reasonable efforts to update the information on our site, we make no representations, warranties or guarantees, whether express or implied that the content on our site is accurate, complete or up to date.

Prohibited uses
You may use our site only for lawful purposes. You may not use our site:
• in any way that breaches any local, national or international law or regulation
• for the purpose of harming or attempting to cause harm
• to use someone else’s account
• to upload harmful, inaccurate, offensive or illegal content
• to attempt to hack, disrupt or damage to the site
• to use our content commercially without permission
• to upload malware (malicious software, for example computer viruses)

You will not without authority, interfere with, damage or disrupt:
• any part of our site;
• any equipment or network on which our site is stored;
• any software used in the provision of our site; or
• any equipment or network or software owned or used by any third party

Breach of this policy
When we consider that a breach of this acceptable use policy has occurred, we may take such action as we deem appropriate. We may either:
• issue a warning to you
• immediately delete your account (temporary or permanent withdrawal of your right to use our site)
• immediate, temporary or permanent removal of any content uploaded by you to our site
• consider legal action against you
• disclose such information to law enforcement authorities as we reasonably feel is necessary or as required by law

DWP responsibility
We will do our best to make sure this service is available, virus free and that the information we provide is accurate and complete.

We are not responsible for:
• you being unable to access the site, for example if it is unavailable due to maintenance or technical issues. We will report any unavailability to our supplier, Adzuna
• any kind of loss or damage as a result of using the site
• the accuracy of job descriptions and any other user content
• the content of other websites we link to

The DWP does not claim rights, ownership or control over content uploaded on the site by Users. The person or organisation uploading User Content retains the rights in its intellectual property and is solely responsible for protecting the rights of its Intellectual Property.

Which country's laws apply to any disputes?
The terms and conditions are governed by English law. If there’s a dispute, it will be dealt with in courts in England and Wales.

Other policies
The acceptable use policy should be read alongside the ‘Find a job’ privacy policy and the cookie policy.
We may make changes to the terms of this policy
We can update our acceptable use policy at any time. Check this page regularly to find out about updates.
These terms of use were last updated on 13 April 2018.



Terms and Conditions for Employers for Find a job Service (the Site)
1. By using our Site you accept these terms
Please read these terms of use and corresponding documents carefully. By using the Site you will have ticked a box to accept/ agree to enter in to these terms and conditions and that you agree to comply by them. If you do not agree to these terms and conditions, you must stop using the Site and the online content immediately.
2. What's in these terms?
These terms set out the legal obligations relating to use of findajob.dwp.gov.uk/employers (Site) by Employers. This Site provides information about job opportunities only and does not introduce or supply work-seekers to recruiters or vice versa.
3. Who we are and how to contact us
3.1 The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) runs this Site and is based in Caxton House, 6-12 Tothill Street, London SW1H 9NA. The DWP runs the website for the purpose of providing a self-service venue for Employers to advertise jobs and to provide the opportunity for Jobseekers to search for and apply for the jobs.
3.2 The Site is operated by Adhunter Limited, trading as Adzuna as a service provider on behalf of Secretary of State for the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP)].
3.3 Adzuna are registered in England and Wales under company number 07301894 and have their registered office at Adhunter Limited, 40 Vanston Place, Fulham, London SW6 1AX.
4. Definitions
‘Jobseeker’ is any member of the public whether receiving benefits or not who is accessing the Site for the purposes of finding employment.
‘Employer’ means either a person, company, firm or organisation that employs Jobseekers directly and is using this Site to advertise for those jobs where they employ Jobseekers directly; or, if an employer is using a recruitment agency to provide the future employee, an agency that is carrying out the full recruitment activity for the employer and providing the employee to that employer.
‘Content’ a contribution is any content posted /uploaded by any user of the Site, for example job vacancies or CV’s
‘Users’ means both Jobseekers and Employers, whether private individuals or businesses.
‘Site’ is www.findajob.dwp.gov.uk/employer
5. Your Data
When you register on the Service as an Employer, the information you give us will be used:
• to verify your identity,
• so you can post a job,
• so applicants can contact you,
• for Employer account administration,
• for general UK employment trend, vacancy research and analysis purposes.
6. We may make changes to our Site
We may update and change our Site from time to time to reflect changes our Users' needs and our business priorities. We will try to give you reasonable notice of any major changes.
7. We may suspend or withdraw our Site
7.1 Our Site is made available free of charge.
7.2 We do not guarantee that our Site, or any content on it, will always be available or be uninterrupted. We may suspend or withdraw or restrict the availability of all or any part of our Site for business and operational reasons. We will try to give you reasonable notice of any suspension or withdrawal.
7.3 You are also responsible for ensuring that all persons who access our Site through your internet connection are aware of these terms of use and other applicable terms and conditions, and that they comply with them.
8. Location of jobs advertised
8.1 This Site is only for Employers to post jobs in the United Kingdom, including Northern Ireland, and the Crown dependencies of the Isle of Man and the Bailiwicks of Guernsey and Jersey.
8.2 This Site cannot be used to advertise jobs outside of these locations.
8.3 This Site allows employers to send jobs to EURES (European Job Mobility Portal) where the employer requests to do so the jobs will be visible on the EURES Site; ec.europa.eu/eures/public/homepage
9. How you may use material on our Site
9.1 You must not use any part of the content on our Site for commercial purposes without obtaining a licence to do so from us or our licensors.
9.2 If you print off, copy or download any part of our Site in breach of these terms of use, your right to use our Site will cease immediately and you must, at our option, return or destroy any copies of the materials you have made.
9.3 You must not send, post, distribute, store or destroy information, to or on the Site, that breaks Our Privacy Policy or without prior permission from Us, or by the person whose information is concerned, or which breaks the laws of England and Wales or Scotland.
9.4 Once you receive personal information from a jobseeker, e.g. a CV this data is no longer the responsibility of DWP and as an employer it is your responsibility to adhere to GDPR with relation to jobseeker information obtained through this Site.
10. How we monitor user-generated content
10.1 “User Content” means all information, data, text, software, photographs, messages or materials submitted, posted or displayed by Users of this Site.
10.2 The views expressed by other users on the Site do not represent the values or views of DWP and the DWP do not guarantee the truthfulness, accuracy or reliability of the User Content, however DWP will verify employers who use the Site and have manual and automated processes in place to monitor user generated content.
10.3 If you rely on any of the information posted by other people using this Site, you do so at your risk.
10.4 The DWP reserves the right to refuse to accept post or transmit any User Content it deems inappropriate. Please consult the Content Standards Policy for our definition of acceptable and unacceptable content.
10.5 We are not responsible for:
• 10.5.1 you being unable to access the Site, for example if it is unavailable due to maintenance or technical issues. We will report any unavailability to our supplier, Adzuna.
• 10.5.2 any kind of loss or damage as a result of using the Site
• 10.5.3 the accuracy of job descriptions and any other user content
10.6 In particular, for Employers we will not be liable for:
• 10.6.1 loss of profits, sales, business, or revenue;
• 10.6.2 business interruption;
• 10.6.3 loss of anticipated savings;
• 10.6.4 loss of business opportunity, goodwill or reputation; or
• 10.6.5 any indirect or consequential loss or damage, including for death and personal injury.
10.7 The DWP does not claim rights, ownership or control over content uploaded on the Site by the Employers and Jobseekers. The person or organisation uploading User Content retains the rights in its intellectual property and is solely responsible for protecting the rights of its Intellectual Property.
11. Uploading content to our Site
11.1 Whenever you make use of a feature that allows you to upload content to our Site, or to make contact with other users on the Site, you must comply with the Content Standards Policy.
11.2 You warrant that any such contribution does comply with those standards, and you will be liable to us and indemnify us for any breach of that warranty. This means you will be responsible for any loss or damage we suffer as a result of your breach of warranty.
11.3 We have the right to remove or alter any posting you make on our Site if, in our opinion, your post does not comply with the content standards policy.
11.4 You are solely responsible for securing and backing up your content.
12. We are not responsible for viruses and you must not introduce them
12.1 We do not guarantee that our Site will be secure or free from bugs or viruses.
12.2 You are responsible for configuring your information technology, computer programmes and platform to access our Site. You should use your own virus protection software.
12.3 You must not misuse our Site by knowingly introducing viruses, Trojans, worms, logic bombs or other material that is malicious or technologically harmful. You must not attempt to gain unauthorised access to our Site, the server on which our Site is stored or any server, computer or database connected to our Site. You must not attack our Site via a denial-of-service attack or a distributed denial-of service attack. We will report any such breach to the relevant law enforcement authorities and we will co-operate with those authorities by disclosing your identity to them. In the event of such a breach, your right to use our Site will cease immediately.
13. We are not responsible for websites we link to
13.1 Where our Site contains links to other sites and resources provided by third parties, these links are provided for your information only. Such links should not be interpreted as approval by us of those linked websites or information you may obtain from them.
13.2 We have no control over the contents of those sites or resources.
14. Rules about linking to our Site
14.1 You may link to our home page, provided you do so in a way that is fair and legal and does not damage our reputation or take advantage of it.
14.2 You must not establish a link in such a way as to suggest any form of association, approval or endorsement on our part where none exists.
14.3 You must not establish a link to our Site in any website that is not owned by you.
14.4 Our Site must not be framed on any other site, nor may you create a link to any part of our Site other than the home page.
14.5 We reserve the right to withdraw linking permission without notice.
14.6 The website in which you are linking to must comply in all respects with the content standards set out in our Content Standards Policy.
15. Other Policies
The Terms and Conditions for Employers Policy should be read alongside the Site’sAcceptable Use Policy,the Privacy Policy, the Content Standards Policy and the Cookie Policy.
16. We may make changes to these terms and conditions
We can update our Terms and Conditions for Employers at any time. Check this page regularly to find out about updates.
These terms and conditions were last updated on 20th April 2018
17. Which country's laws apply to any disputes?
These terms and conditions , their subject matter and their formation, are governed by English law. Parties to this agreement agree that the courts of England and Wales will have exclusive jurisdiction.
18. Content Standards Policy
The DWP will decide whether any content uploaded by Users is in breach of its standards.
User generated content standards, including job adverts, must:
7. Be accurate (where it states facts), to provide a job description, which is clearly understandable to Jobseekers, of an actual job or work opportunity; the job title must reflect the position being offered and should not be a generic term such as ‘Various’,
8. Clearly state where the vacancy offers a zero hours contract,\
9. Not mislead Jobseekers when quoting rates of pay or the salary of a job,
10. Ensure all apprenticeship job descriptions contain the word 'Apprenticeship' in the job title, and include the qualification that the apprentice will work towards, the length of the apprenticeship and the name of the Employer.
11. Only ask a Jobseeker for documentation showing their right to work in the UK which is specified in the Home Office’s ‘An employer’s guide to acceptable right to work documents’. This does not include a driving licence or bank account details.
12. Be available to jobseekers on an open and fair basis
19. User generated content standards, including job adverts, must not:
19.1 Be defamatory of any person.
19.2 Be obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory.
19.3 Promote sexually explicit material.
19.4 Promote violence.
19.5 Promote discrimination based on race, sex, religion, nationality, disability, sexual orientation or age.
19.6 Infringe any copyright, database right or trade mark of any other person.
19.7 Be likely to deceive any person.
19.8 Breach any legal duty owed to a third party, such as a contractual duty or a duty of confidence.
19.9 Promote any illegal activity.
19.10 Be in contempt of court.
19.11 Be threatening, abuse or invade another's privacy, or cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety.
19.12 Be likely to harass, upset, embarrass, alarm or annoy any other person.
19.13 Impersonate any person, or misrepresent your identity or affiliation with any person.
Give the impression that the Contribution emanates from DWP, if this is not the case.
19.14 Advocate, promote, incite any party to commit, or assist any unlawful or criminal act such as (by way of example only) copyright infringement or computer misuse.
19.15 Contain any advertising or promote any services or web links to other sites unless relating to the purpose of which the Site is being used.
19.16 Remain on the Site if the job is no longer available
20. In particular, DWP does not accept user generated content, including job adverts, that:
20.1 Contain limited or password-only access pages, or hidden pages or images;
20.2 are in any language other than English and Welsh languages
20.3 do not provide a rate of pay equal to, or more than the National Minimum Wage and, depending upon the age of the successful applicant, a rate of pay equal to or above the National Living Wage (when enacted and as amended from time to time), unless a lawful exemption applies; the rate of pay quoted in the job advert must be the higher National Minimum wage rate even though you might be intending to employ someone qualifying for the lower NMW apprenticeship rates’
20.4 Are duplicate job adverts on the Site. A duplicate job advert is one that has the same job title, job description, hours of work and location as a job advert that is already ‘active’ on the Site and in the same language.
20.5 do not clearly state in the job description any and all costs that might be incurred as part of the application process and any and all on-going costs
20.6 are advertised for the purposes of building a database of potential candidates; there has to be an actual job available
20.7 are for sexual services or seeking employees for jobs of a sexual nature. Any jobs placed within the adult entertainment industry must only be for the purposes of a) selling, manufacturing and distributing of adult entertainment products b) Ancillary staff e.g. cleaners and bar staff and c) jobs must display the age requirement of 18 or over. No other adult entertainment jobs will be accepted;
20.8 are commission only opportunities, unless the posting clearly states that the available job pays commission only and clearly describes the product or service that the Jobseeker would be selling and confirms that the vacancy can achieve a wage equivalent to or more than the National Minimum Wage and/or the National Living Wage (when enacted) and as amended from time to time;
20.9 are self-employed commission only or piecework opportunities unless the job description complies with HMRC Requirements and any such opportunity must clearly state the products/services applicable to the vacancy, additional expectations, including where there is a requirement to recruit members; any up front or periodic costs that might be incurred by the Jobseeker; agency administration fees for the payment of self-employed National Insurance contributions (where applicable); that an income equivalent to or more than the National Minimum Wage (NMW) can be achieved and, depending upon the age of the successful applicant, a rate of pay equivalent to or more than the National Living Wage (when enacted) and as amended from time to time.;
20.10 are fundraising opportunities without the express permission of the charity involved;
20.11 are specifically intended to provide cover for workers involved in an official trade union dispute;
20.12 offer allowances or expenses only for roles such as voluntary, community or fostering opportunities. They can however be advertised as local opportunities through Jobcentre Plus;
20.13 involve a trial or probationary period without pay;
20.14 require citizenship of any particular country or lawful permanent residence in a country as a condition of employment, unless otherwise required in order to comply with law, regulations, or a government contract;
20.15 include any screening requirement or criterion in connection with a job posting where such requirement or criterion is not an actual and legal requirement of the posted job.
20.16 have in the job listing:
5. premium rate telephone numbers;
6. income generating phone numbers (070 and 09 prefixes);
7. 0871, 0872, 0873 telephone numbers where the call duration exceeds 5 minutes;
8. requests for job seekers to use their own personal auction listing account(s).
21. We may make changes to the terms of this contents standards policy
We can update our content standard policy at any time. Check this page regularly to find out about updates.
These terms were last updated on 20th April 2018
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Find a Job Site Launched 14th May 2018 15 May 2018 19:53 #7533

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This from a DWP Freedom of Information response published today:
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/479339/response/1158772/attach/3/Reply%202046.pdf

“The recorded information we hold that best answers your question about the type of access DWP and Jobcentre Work Coaches will have to claimant accounts can be found in the extract below from the Find a job Delivery Implementation Guide which says:

“DWP staff will not have access to view jobseeker accounts, CVs or activity/application history.””

That’s clear enough
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Find a Job Site Launched 14th May 2018 16 May 2018 08:07 #7539

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From the horses mouth. We DON`T need to give access to work coaches. Open the link and print this off everyone! Thanks BB. B)
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Find a Job Site Launched 14th May 2018 16 May 2018 09:59 #7543

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Well, there’s a turn up for the books. You finally appear to accept what I’ve been trying to explain for weeks. Made my day, so you have.

While we’re on a roll I’d just add that I tried to post several threads with factual information and details to help members to understand a bit more about the changes coming down the track.

Needless to say, adding fake news, idle speculation and groundless fears makes a mockery of the thread and puts most members, and potential members, off. They get anxious to the extent that they can’t distinguish between fact and fiction. Very discouraging, unhelpful, harmful even, when the facts and truth gets blurred.

We’ll never attract members, or earn their respect, if they end up more anxious when they read something here than they were before they looked in on us for some sort of help, guidance or advice to enable them to make sense of what’s going on. Let us aspire to make this Forum a beacon of truth and light and tranquillity in a sea of despair, despondency and discord that will guide us to a place where the evils we face are no more and we can live in comfort, peace and harmony for all. Some ask?

I’m sure members are more than welcome to start a thread themselves and post whatever alternatives to hard facts they choose and then have hours of fun speculating and twisting them to their heart’s content. There is nothing wrong with asking legitimate questions and seeking clarification but that’s not quite the same as inventing fake facts and then worrying everyone to death trying to paint vivid pictures of their consequences.

Occasionally one has to be cruel to be kind. Polished diplomacy is all very well but it can be indistinguishable from craft, and I don’t do craft.

Pax?
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My fault entirely BB and I fully `get` what you are saying here. As I said before, I can be my own worst enemy sometimes and I need to get a grip and READ what`s in front of me, taking from it the best points and not questioning it. Being on ESA I sometimes fail to grasp reality, although I did test the waters a few years ago when back on JSA, so must follow protocol from now on, especially as UC is upon us.


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Furthermore, the FAJ’s site’s own Acceptable Use Policy, acknowledged, confirmed and reinforced by DWP, says:

“If you choose, or you are provided with, an account or password or any other piece of information as part of our security procedures, you must treat such information as confidential. You must not disclose it to any third party”.

Third party includes DWP and JCP work coaches.

I would suggest that this means you must not provide access to your FAJ account to a work coach nor provide them with screen shots or print-outs because that’s disclosing your personal, confidential information. That action puts you in breach of the site’s policy whereupon all hell and the law will be loosed on you:

"Breach of this policy

When we consider that a breach of this acceptable use policy has occurred, we may take such action as we deem appropriate. We may either:
• issue a warning to you
• immediately delete your account (temporary or permanent withdrawal of your right to use our site)
• immediate, temporary or permanent removal of any content uploaded by you to our site
• consider legal action against you
• disclose such information to law enforcement authorities as we reasonably feel is necessary or as required by law".

So, any work coach who even tries to come on heavy about disclosing anything you do, or don’t do, on this site would be encouraging you to breach the site’s policy.

This would put them in breach of the site’s policy, DWP policy, the Civil Service Code, the EU General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), the Welfare Reform Act, the Data Protection Act, the Human Rights Act (UK), the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), the International Labour Organisation, Amnesty International, the United Nations Organisation and, God help them, the now united and combined view of the Membership of the Welfare Central Forum.
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Find a Job Site Launched 14th May 2018 16 May 2018 14:24 #7565

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osris wrote:
Does this apply to jobseekers also? I ask, because if so, why is it in the employers section of the site?

If we, as jobseekers, used it to defend not giving our roaches our login details, the roaches would simply say that that that term of agreement was only for employers who use the site.

Nothing I have quoted comes from the policy for employers part of the policy document. Have another wee peep at the document.
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Does this apply to jobseekers also? I ask, because if so, why is it in the employers section of the site?

If we, as jobseekers, used it to defend not giving our roaches our login details, the roaches would simply say that that that term of agreement was only for employers who use the site.

Nothing I have quoted comes from the policy for employers part of the policy document. Have another wee peep at the document.

I’ve just re-looked. It says in the section for employers who want to find employees from the site:

“You must accept the Employer terms and conditions to proceed:

Please read the terms and conditions, acceptable use policy and corresponding documents carefully before using this site. Once you have read them, click on the box below to accept/agree to enter into the terms of this agreement. Failure to agree will result in you not being able to use the service.”

The above is addressed, as far as I can see, to employers only. There is no mention of it also being applicable to jobseekers.

If I were to use it in defence of my not allowing a roach access to my account on the site, she/he could quite rightly say that the terms and conditions and acceptable use policy are intended only for employers who want to find employees from the site.

So being naturally cautious I wouldn’t want to use this gambit on a roach in case I was flagged up as being a potential troublemaker. I like to fly under the radar with the DWP and not make myself a potential target for victimisation.
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I must say I didn`t notice this either but then again, my eyes get too bleary reading through all that text as it can be so long winded! I do hope it isn`t just for the benefit of employers though. Would be a step backwards for job seekers if it is.
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Also, here is the response from the DWP to the Freedom of Information request by a forum member asking the question:

“What type of access will DWP and Jobcentre Work 'Coaches' have to the individual benefit claimant's account for the new 'Find A Job' (FAJ) service? Will benefit claimants be expected to register with FAJ and if they do not they could be issued with a Jobseeker Direction to register a new FAJ account, create a personal profile and upload their CV(s) onto FAJ?”

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/adzunas_find_a_job_technology_jo?unfold=1

The response can be found here:

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/479339/response/1158772/attach/html/3/Reply%202046.pdf.html

The particular answer from it is:

“The recorded information we hold that best answers your question about the type of access DWP and Jobcentre Work Coaches will have to claimant accounts can be found in the extract below from the Find a job Delivery Implementation Guide which says:

“DWP staff will not have access to view jobseeker accounts, CVs or activity/application history.”

The recorded information we hold that best answers your other questions is contained in the instructions for work coaches who deal with Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) and Universal Credit (UC) claimants in Annexes 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 for JSA claimants and Annexes 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 for UC claimants included with this reply. For ease of reference, the relevant information has been highlighted."

It is unclear to me, though, if when it says:

“DWP staff will not have access to view jobseeker accounts, CVs or activity/application history.”

it is referring to Universal Jobmatch or the new Find a Job site. Does anyone have any idea what we are to make of this ambiguity?

My suspicion is that it is referring to Universal Jobmatch.
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Find a Job Site Launched 14th May 2018 16 May 2018 17:26 #7577

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BB? Are we missing something in the terms & conditions either from DWP or Find a Job? Sorry if I`ve not read or missed anything in previous postings from links to this, but feel a sense of dread coming on if it is aimed at employers only?
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Quote from that FOI:
“What type of access will DWP and Jobcentre Work 'Coaches' have to the individual benefit claimant's account for the new 'Find A Job' (FAJ) service?

This seems to say Find a Job osris. So if they don`t have access to our FInd a Job accounts, it still doesn`t say we don`t need to OPEN an account under duress?
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Find a Job Site Launched 14th May 2018 16 May 2018 17:44 #7582

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If we, as jobseekers, used it to defend not giving our roaches our login details, the roaches would simply say that that that term of agreement was only for employers who use the site.
The simple fact is, your work roaches cannot demand your login details, that goes against the data protection act and they are breaking the law if they try this on. So I wouldn't worry about any terms of agreement for the site regarding this.
Do they have login details for all other jobsites you are registered with? My reckoning is a big fat no...
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Find a Job Site Launched 14th May 2018 16 May 2018 18:32 #7587

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osris wrote: I am naturally cautious,

Nothing wrong with that osris. If we didn`t question things we might end up looking like fools. Even if the answer seems to be in the detail, it`s easy to miss it, or read it wrongly. Anything to do with DWP and their goons is never clear.
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Sounds like people are over thinking this.
If work coaches had the right to view your private account with faj they would have access to it on their computers like ujm.
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I just checked the website, this policy seems to be for jobseekers as it doesn't say otherwise and there is a separate policy for employers.
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Can you expand on that Catwoman? Where it states `for jobseekers`? The word `seems to be` could mean anything! I know we are all still presuming the worst as Find a Job is new, but as osris said, what we read in FOI`s doesn`t always play out in job centres across the country when faced with work coaches saying we must do this or that because they haven't read their own script. They as civil servants should already be heads up on all this, yet job seekers find all this information online which states from DWP themselves that we are not committed to show anything. So who is correct?
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"If you already have a UJM account, you will STILL need to use Find a Job?" This seems to be saying users of UJM need to keep using this platform, but again, it`s not crystal clear, is it?
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Find a Job Site Launched 14th May 2018 16 May 2018 19:59 #7597

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osris wrote:
I’ve just re-looked. It says in the section for employers who want to find employees from the site:

“You must accept the Employer terms and conditions to proceed:

Please read the terms and conditions, acceptable use policy and corresponding documents carefully before using this site. Once you have read them, click on the box below to accept/agree to enter into the terms of this agreement. Failure to agree will result in you not being able to use the service.”

The above is addressed, as far as I can see, to employers only. There is no mention of it also being applicable to jobseekers.

If I were to use it in defence of my not allowing a roach access to my account on the site, she/he could quite rightly say that the terms and conditions and acceptable use policy are intended only for employers who want to find employees from the site.

So being naturally cautious I wouldn’t want to use this gambit on a roach in case I was flagged up as being a potential troublemaker. I like to fly under the radar with the DWP and not make myself a potential target for victimisation.


Dash it all Osris, you have managed to re-arouse the beast in my new-found best mate. So much for the truce.

The Acceptable use policy document refers to job seekers who may wish to use the FAJ site.

The first quote that I posted is from the very first paragraph of that document:

“If you choose, or you are provided with, an account or password or any other piece of information as part of our security procedures, you must treat such information as confidential. You must not disclose it to any third party”.

My second quote about Breach of this policy was from a bit further down the same above mentioned document as well.

Anything you read in the Terms and Conditions for Employers, which is a different document, is incidental and although it does reinforce the policy for job seekers, and makes some of it terms and conditions for employers who may wish to use the site to post job ads in part, it is not being discussed here. Let’s grasp the parts that affect the job seeker first before trying to get to grips with the employers’ terms and conditions.

If you are determined to refuse to accept this simple, straight-forward fact then I can’t help you.
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Find a Job Site Launched 14th May 2018 16 May 2018 20:03 #7598

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The acceptable use policy says you are not to show your account to anyone its very vague, but hopefully it means jobseekers don't have to show their account to anyone, but you only need to see one hard nose wc who will demand this and that from you and if your not prepared who knows what you will agree to.
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