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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 21 Dec 2017 16:28 #5392

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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications etc
Posted on May 28, 2017
Update: The DWP are due to publish final versions of the DRAFT info below on www.gov.uk – in preparation of the Work and Health Programme going live.

Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications etc
Update: The DWP are due to publish final versions of the DRAFT info below on www.gov.uk – in preparation of the Work and Health Programme going live. Notes: Chapter 5a Mandation, confirms th…

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Notes: Chapter 5a Mandation, confirms the Work and Health Programme does include forced-labour workfare for sick and disabled people with “limited capability for work” under Section 55 of the Welfare Reform Act (2012). To quote:

“27. DWP has pre-approved a list of compliance conditions for providers to use. These compliance conditions are: …Agree a date for future attendance at an appointment/placement with a third party (i.e. college, work placement, skills training course)”

Chapter 8 – Compliance Doubt, concerning benefit sanctions says”

“Work placement (community benefit)
95. When a LTU participant is undertaking community benefit work placements they will have been mandated to do so using the normal mandation process. If they fail to take part in community benefit work placement you must take compliance doubt action. “

No manifesto for the June 8th 2017 general election includes a promise to repeal ‘work for your benefits’ forced-labour workfare.

Contents
Provider guidance
Diagnostic Tool and it’s development
Market Engagement Events – Slide Decks and Attendee Lists
Umbrella Agreement for the Provision of Employment and Health Related Services

Lots More Here;
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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 21 Dec 2017 16:44 #5395

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Limited Capability for Work....that will include me then as I`m in the WRAG of ESA. Or as it`s now known, LCW. I await my fate... Although in Scotland, the government here have introduced (from April 2018) Their own work training which will be VOLUNTARY. So no doubt people claiming LCW here will have the choice of the Westminster government Health & Work programme, or the Scottish equivalent? Will be interesting to see what I get offered and how I will reply.

I know the Scottish training programmes will be led by local councils and organisations we have heard of in the not so distant past, but from what I have read so far, you have to commit to at least 16 hours a week and I`m lucky if I can do voluntary work for 2 hours a week. So I`m not sure where I will fit into their cosy plans to chain me to yet another work programme in the guise of helping me if it means the same regime as the original work programme where it will be paid by results and I know that`s a fact. So helping people by intimidation and fear will never work.

Edited to add: Here is the provider guidance list from the above link Paul posted: As you can see, there are many similarities to the original work programme:

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And the Scottish equivalent programmes from April 2018 to counter the work & health programmes:

news.gov.scot/news/fairer-approach-to-employment

I don`t yet know what will happen when both these programmes collide on impact, but the choice should be there for claimants in Scotland to choose which one they want to take part in. If that is, they are mandated to choose one or whether they will be given the choice. Or indeed if already engaged in other voluntary work or training we will be exempted from attending. All of which we need to know in advance.

More from the link I posted above:
www.employabilityinscotland.com/devolved-employment-services/employment-support-2018/
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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 25 Dec 2017 15:16 #5430

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I`ve been looking at this Fair Start Scotland to be in full role out in April 2018 and they are saying the scheme is entirely voluntary:

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I am hoping this is Scotland`s way of mitigating the other choice from Westminster which will be the Work & Health programme, which won`t be voluntary. But my main concern is the debilitating pain I suffer from, agreeing to sign up to this Fair Start (to avoid the mandated work & health programme) and then being too ill at times to attend it. It will be run by local authorities along with charities and some private providers, yet I recall asking a work coach about something similar last year and she said (after handing me a leaflet about it) that you have to sign up to it and commit to at least 16 hours a week? This is where it falls down for me because right now, I`m only attending a drop-in centre locally on a weekly basis and participating for a few hours on the days I feel able to. So I`m not sure how flexible this new fair start or work able will be. I suppose I will be looking into this shortly when I next speak to someone from my job centre and do a little more digging on it.
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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 26 Dec 2017 12:47 #5438

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The Work and Health Programme and conditionality has not been finalised as yet. The links you are providing relate to draft copies of the “Work and Health Programme Provider Guidance” published way back in April 2017. Note that this is a guidance for providers and will obviously be biased to sound attractive to providers. The dismal failure of the Community Work Programme and the lack of take-up of that scheme will have already put many prospective applicants for this new scheme off.

Another point to bear in mind is that there are issues with human rights involved here which remain unresolved. The scheme was supposed to be part funded by the European Social Fund and even if they do go ahead and fund it they would only do so for about a year and a half up to March 2019. They may conclude that it would cost more than it’s worth to even start it. Can’t see the UK government footing the bill for yet another futile scheme what with the UC roll-out and it’s seemingly unassailable problems multiplying by the day.

All that and the fact that no definite date for the introduction of this scheme has been set and that no answers have been forthcoming on the subject for the past 6 months by DWP would suggest to me that it will never see the light of day.

As far as any schemes introduced in Scotland are concerned, unless you happen to live in Scotland they will have no relevance to the rest of the UK.

In short, let’s look forward to the New Year on a positive note and not pile on the grief before it even comes.
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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 26 Dec 2017 16:07 #5445

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Having been through a two year work programme like others on here, I hope this falls flat on it`s face. But if there is money to be had, no doubt those companies with the lowest tender will win the game. They win, we lose. And knowing my luck, I will be the first ball out of the lottery machine to attend it. But this time, I won`t go down without fighting my corner.
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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 31 Dec 2017 05:36 #5470

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Hi all,

First post here on the new site from a returning member of the old Unemployment Movement forum.

Benefit Bolshie, is what you say really correct? I can see that as yet there doesn't appear to be any Provider Guidance on the Government website. However, according to this www.base-uk.org/news/work-health-programme-providers-announced the Work and Health programme was supposed to start in November in the North West and December in Wales. Are you telling me for definite that this hasn't happened and that as yet nobody at all has been referred to, or is participating in this scheme? How do you know?
If that is the case, it might explain the rather concerning lack of information/ opinion on the subject currently available, apart from information released by the DWP and local organisations.
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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 31 Dec 2017 09:07 #5471

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Hi KJ and welcome to the Forum;
Will leave your Question for BB,
As I know no more then whats been posted here. :)
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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 31 Dec 2017 13:02 #5473

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It is a strange situation,.the tender for the contracts have completed and the winners chosen, .gov clearly state the trials have completed and they have rolled out WHP in some parts of the country and due to be rolled out to the rest of the country from January.

So either the government are lying, spreading misinformation or we are in denial because I would like nothing more than to know this program has vanished into the ether.
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Totally with you dboy,i also would like to know 100% that this new deadhead idea has been sent to the bin as is sure to bring extra stress to many.


Have just checked that list from the below link and my area is on it, now seriously worried,2018 starting how 2017 ends :( :angry:
I also ended up doing 18 months on the work programme which was a total farce.
www.base-uk.org/news/work-health-programme-providers-announced

"In short, let’s look forward to the New Year on a positive note and not pile on the grief before it even comes."

Would like to agree with BB with the above sentiment, but afraid not after experiencing 6 continuous years of scraping by :( .

However i wish all on this forum a happy 2018. :)

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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 31 Dec 2017 16:50 #5488

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I`m keeping an eye on this in Scotland because if it is to be started here, I want to be informed about it in advance before being hoodwinked into signing up for it because the coach I see thinks I would benefit from it. The Scottish government are starting two new employability-type programmes to mitigate the Health & Work programme here, but I`m still not sure yet if both with be a choice or a mandation to take part.

The programmes in Scotland are to be Fair Start and Work Able. These are due to begin in April 2018 and I know they are voluntary, but they do ask for a commitment of 16 hours a week from the claimant. I think I read that they are funded for one year and not the two years the original work programmes were. But no doubt funding will be looked at for extensions if the programmes are producing positive results. If they don`t, they will probably be binned and the roulette wheel will be spun again to see what the next road to hell will be.
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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 04 Jan 2018 12:45 #5539

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www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2017/1020/pdfs/uksiod_20171020_en.pdf

Interesting recent document worth a read regarding the work and health programme.
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Thanks for this dboy. I`m sat here wondering what `category` they will put me in suffering from chronic pain? Can`t look for work because I can`t use a laptop or sit at a work station for more than 30 minutes and also have a mobility descriptor under ESA for mobilising. I fit other criteria but never got awarded points for those but that wasn`t surprising since they get give you the 15 points to qualify for ESA and don`t bother looking at the other points I could/should have got.

When I done my two years on the original work programme, they couldn`t help me then and nothing has changed. So it will be interesting when they say I will be sent to this new work & health programme and I lean over the desk and point out the above descriptors and say, so how are these people going to help me if I can`t walk very far or sit at a desk in a working environment?
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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 04 Jan 2018 21:18 #5548

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Good grief work providers won't have any powers to mandate unless some of their employees are made 'employment officers'.

dboy, thank you, this is quite a find.

I dread to think where it is all heading with things already breaking down. Instead of sorting stuff out they seem to be marching stealthily towards some kind of totalitarian state applying powers to people who knows what their qualifications/experience levels are.

"Regime...cohort...referrals...amendments...mandatory...
sanctions are an important part of a fair and effective welfare system...[disabled] claimant has committed to the goal of finding employment within a period of one year..."

So the JC have failed to get somebody a job in 2 years and a work provider is going to find them one in half that time. Is this the end of the JC?

"One Designation Order is
required to
designate providers’ employees
as ‘employment officers’
so that they can mandate claimants to apply
for jobs and take up job offers. This is
needed if
a ‘higher level’ sanction
is to be imposed under s.19 of the Jobseekers Act 1995, where a
claimant
without good reason refuses to apply for or accept a vacancy
if offered one. Section 35 of the Jobseekers Act 1995 provides that the
Secretary of State may make an order to designate an employment
officer
. This is due to be made when contracts have been signed in all
Contract Package Areas."

Of course providers' employment officers won't be able to offer jobs at their own company on a zero hours basis and receive a bonus for hitting certain targets will they ;)

I just love how their fictional examples always turn out well to underline we and not the system are the problem.

Clowns!

We need to know what is in place when things don't work out.

ALTERNATIVE ILLUSTRATIVE CUSTOMER JOURNEY - X

X has been on ESA for 4 years, has problems with his mobility and eyesight but it put on the Work and Health Programme and mandated to work in a factory where this is very little work to do. X is then told of a job which he says doesn't sound suitable for him and his supervisor informs him that he can be mandated to do it or sanctioned if he refuses and so X starts a 3 month contract working for the company which owns the factory: 'Afront' unloading and stacking heavy boxes, much harder work than he was doing previously. After 6 weeks and still no money from UC; X gets a demand for rent from his landlord. X speaks to his work coach: Azwhype about this and bullying comments his boss makes when ordering to do unpaid overtime as part of the contract he signed and that this finishes after his last bus leaving him a 6 mile walk to get home. X develops a bad back but cannot get time off to see his GP who doesn't have a surgery extending late early or late enough and fears losing his job if he fails to turn up. Azwhype says don't worry at least you have a job, things could be a lot worse and then arranges for another WFI in a month's time.

Less than two weeks later X is rushed into hospital after being found unconscious on the backroad he takes as a short cut by an old age pensioner who takes a long time to get help because he does not have a mobile phone. The ambulance is delayed by a higher priority call and X is left in the cold for a further hour. X is diagnosed as suffering from malnutrition and other complications. Meanwhile Afront is exposed as part of a gun running racket by an undercover journalist supported by testimonies from X' colleagues all of whom are referals from the local job centre the manager of which is discovered to be the partner of Afront's CEO and employing Azwhype on a zero hours contract.

After the case goes to court both CEO and JC manager are sentenced to imprisonment. One morning the disgraced former CEO opens his cell door to be greeted by his new prison officer: X who has now got a full time job with paid overtime and under new government legislation introduced by the incoming Independent Coalition Party (made up of successful entrepreneurs and upcoming managers from the relevant ministerial sectors) has the power to mandate dangerous prisoners to suitable unpaid tasks as and when deemed appropriate and fair. The CEO discovers first hand how his life can (not) be measurably improved without the need for money to live on.

His partner is attacked and almost beaten to death by a group of several women who have through no fault of their own ended up in prison out of destitution being made homeless after their benefits were sanctioned. Before taking her own life, the former job centre manager reveals names of high ranking former government officials with shares in the private employment agency she had been recruited from (E4a) and this leads to a number of significant high profile convictions.

The new employment minister cancels the roll out of Universal Credit just before its completion, reopens all the closed job centres under pre jobcentreplus structures, abandons benefit sanctions and the costly and relatively pointless obsession with benefit fraud and imposes a minimum wage of £12PH to rise with the cost of living aided by rent and mortgage caps. Medical assessments are completely scrapped with GPs administering sick notes and referrals to experts resulting in up to 'indefinite' periods of sickness. The government undertakes a 10 year thorough investigation and reform of tax evasion seizing sizeable assets and uncovering links to organized crime. MPs take a vote and their expenses are fixed to a rate based on travel mileage only with plans for regional assemblies put in place.

PFI is reversed bringing the NHS back into complete public control and with the abolition of parking charges offset by local trusts not being tied to private companies through debt. More training is offered and taken up by would be doctors and nurses and staff shortages begin to ease with encouraging signs on the waiting lists. All hospitals get their own A&Es and other shared depts back where they had lost these.

X wins an award for compassion towards inmates and eventually becomes an advisor on prison reform leading to the introduction of groundbreaking progressive educational measures. Following the introduction of a Univeral Basic Income poverty, homelessness and crime (including repeat offenders) go down dramatically.

Finally the national child abuse investigation is reopened and brought to a close and although politicians across all major parties were involved most have since died and only several are successfully sentenced with all estates seized and buildings re-appropriated to various charities and foundations involved in social issues.

Charged with war crimes, a former prime minister pleads insanity in a religious context but after psychological analysis is found to have very limited knowledge of any major belief system and thus to have concocted an alternative personality deliberatly intended to deceive and to be of sound yet corrupted mind directly related to a heavy longstanding cocaine addiction, unfit for public office and sentenced to public hanging via special parliamentary procedures.
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Work and Health Programme: Workfare Rules, All Provider Guidance, Specifications 05 Jan 2018 07:02 #5552

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Quote Verc;

We need to know what is in place when things don't work out.

ALTERNATIVE ILLUSTRATIVE CUSTOMER JOURNEY - X

X has been on ESA for 4 years, has problems with his mobility and eyesight but it put on the Work and Health Programme and mandated to work in a factory where this is very little work to do. X is then told of a job which he says doesn't sound suitable for him and his supervisor informs him that he can be mandated to do it or sanctioned if he refuses and so X starts a 3 month contract working for the company which owns the factory: 'Afront' unloading and stacking heavy boxes, much harder work than he was doing previously. After 6 weeks and still no money from UC; X gets a demand for rent from his landlord. X speaks to his work coach: Azwhype about this and bullying comments his boss makes when ordering to do unpaid overtime as part of the contract he signed and that this finishes after his last bus leaving him a 6 mile walk to get home. X develops a bad back but cannot get time off to see his GP who doesn't have a surgery extending late early or late enough and fears losing his job if he fails to turn up. Azwhype says don't worry at least you have a job, things could be a lot worse and then arranges for another WFI in a month's time.

Less than two weeks later X is rushed into hospital after being found unconscious on the backroad he takes as a short cut by an old age pensioner who takes a long time to get help because he does not have a mobile phone. The ambulance is delayed by a higher priority call and X is left in the cold for a further hour. X is diagnosed as suffering from malnutrition and other complications. Meanwhile Afront is exposed as part of a gun running racket by an undercover journalist supported by testimonies from X' colleagues all of whom are referals from the local job centre the manager of which is discovered to be the partner of Afront's CEO and employing Azwhype on a zero hours contract.

After the case goes to court both CEO and JC manager are sentenced to imprisonment. One morning the disgraced former CEO opens his cell door to be greeted by his new prison officer: X who has now got a full time job with paid overtime and under new government legislation introduced by the incoming Independent Coalition Party (made up of successful entrepreneurs and upcoming managers from the relevant ministerial sectors) has the power to mandate dangerous prisoners to suitable unpaid tasks as and when deemed appropriate and fair. The CEO discovers first hand how his life can (not) be measurably improved without the need for money to live on.

His partner is attacked and almost beaten to death by a group of several women who have through no fault of their own ended up in prison out of destitution being made homeless after their benefits were sanctioned. Before taking her own life, the former job centre manager reveals names of high ranking former government officials with shares in the private employment agency she had been recruited from (E4a) and this leads to a number of significant high profile convictions.

The new employment minister cancels the roll out of Universal Credit just before its completion, reopens all the closed job centres under pre jobcentreplus structures, abandons benefit sanctions and the costly and relatively pointless obsession with benefit fraud and imposes a minimum wage of £12PH to rise with the cost of living aided by rent and mortgage caps. Medical assessments are completely scrapped with GPs administering sick notes and referrals to experts resulting in up to 'indefinite' periods of sickness. The government undertakes a 10 year thorough investigation and reform of tax evasion seizing sizeable assets and uncovering links to organized crime. MPs take a vote and their expenses are fixed to a rate based on travel mileage only with plans for regional assemblies put in place.

PFI is reversed bringing the NHS back into complete public control and with the abolition of parking charges offset by local trusts not being tied to private companies through debt. More training is offered and taken up by would be doctors and nurses and staff shortages begin to ease with encouraging signs on the waiting lists. All hospitals get their own A&Es and other shared depts back where they had lost these.

X wins an award for compassion towards inmates and eventually becomes an advisor on prison reform leading to the introduction of groundbreaking progressive educational measures. Following the introduction of a Univeral Basic Income poverty, homelessness and crime (including repeat offenders) go down dramatically.

Finally the national child abuse investigation is reopened and brought to a close and although politicians across all major parties were involved most have since died and only several are successfully sentenced with all estates seized and buildings re-appropriated to various charities and foundations involved in social issues.

Charged with war crimes, a former prime minister pleads insanity in a religious context but after psychological analysis is found to have very limited knowledge of any major belief system and thus to have concocted an alternative personality deliberatly intended to deceive and to be of sound yet corrupted mind directly related to a heavy longstanding cocaine addiction, unfit for public office and sentenced to public hanging via special parliamentary procedures.


This is a much Better "Real" Example of "Help" one can expect and/or get from The Whole Social Security system;
I Dread to think how much worse it will all get;

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Good grief work providers won't have any powers to mandate unless some of their employees are made 'employment officers'.

And no doubt they will all be given this badge of honour to make sure they CAN mandate us to work that is in their interests and not ours. Another fab insight by Verc and more realistic than the fiction written by DWP.
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What to expect from the Work and Health Programme?
Will government learn from past mistakes?
...we remain concerned that this approach may not be best suited to helping people with complex needs achieve ‘job outcomes’ or more importantly, sustainable fulfilling employment with progression opportunities.

In many charities’ experience, this more often requires a holistic assessment of people’s needs and strengths, tailored support, and recognition of incremental progress, such as acquiring volunteering experiences or new skills.

Taken from 18 months ago:
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Holistic assessments and tailored support I don`t think register with DWP. Although they will always say the word `Help` in a watery way.
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Update:
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/452028/response/1090402/attach/html/2/FOI%205128%20reply.pdf.html


I can also confirm the Department intends to publish the Work & Health Programme
(WHP) provider guidance on gov.uk by the end of January 2018. Until the guidance is
published on gov.uk we cannot provide you with a link to the relevant webpages.
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Limited Capability for Work....that will include me then as I`m in the WRAG of ESA. Or as it`s now known, LCW. I await my fate... Although in Scotland, the government here have introduced (from April 2018) Their own work training which will be VOLUNTARY. So no doubt people claiming LCW here will have the choice of the Westminster government Health & Work programme, or the Scottish equivalent? Will be interesting to see what I get offered and how I will reply.

I know the Scottish training programmes will be led by local councils and organisations we have heard of in the not so distant past, but from what I have read so far, you have to commit to at least 16 hours a week and I`m lucky if I can do voluntary work for 2 hours a week. So I`m not sure where I will fit into their cosy plans to chain me to yet another work programme in the guise of helping me if it means the same regime as the original work programme where it will be paid by results and I know that`s a fact. So helping people by intimidation and fear will never work.

Edited to add: Here is the provider guidance list from the above link Paul posted: As you can see, there are many similarities to the original work programme:

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Yes Comply most councils operate where can we get our free labor from anually at joke centre and they will be more ready than ever to supply an endless number of sheep to the slaughter no matter what mental or physical state they maybe in.

The thick stupid sods at jc dwp haven't got a clue,people will just drop out of these stupid schemes and cause mass disruption while businesses scratch their little heads as to the high quality/suitability of staff they've been sent for "free." Yet another deadhead scheme in the making :evil: :whistle: :lol: .

The government haven't a bloody clue when it comes to training and upskilling people, they've had decades to do it,all government and their still banging on about a shortage of IT skills when companies years ago outsourced it all to the like s of India.They've failed miserably to invest in our own and now people like us on this forum will be their whipping boys and girls as they've run out of people to blame.Of course they think a better idea is to spend hundreds of millions on yet more cow boy"provider"scum bag companies who will fill their boots as a bully boy towards the unemployed. :angry:

As long as they can keep the tax receipts coming into the exchequer to pay for their fat cat pension funds and 3 or 4 homes they will be happy having their arguments in that circus called parliament day in day out and getting fat on the gravy train.



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