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Scottish welfare notes on voluntary/non voluntary question.. 08 Sep 2017 18:38 #4150

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And it seems, the Scottish welfare system promise to be `voluntary` when it comes to training schemes or courses still seems to be hidden in a dark room somewhere with little transparency for anyone still receiving mandatory letters to attend or be `directed`.:

scottishunemployedworkers.net/2017/09/03/when-is-voluntary-training-not-voluntary/

I can`t believe that the Sottish government are not publishing updates on this and being too silent on the issue. People who sign on for JSA or Universal Credit in Scotland still seem uncertain as to whether they have a choice when it comes to training or volunteering. Letters being received saying they are job seeker directions and mention of sanctions. I for one thought (since last year) that the plans were to steer Scottish welfare in a more compassionate direction, but I wasn`t nieve enough to think that sanctions would be done away with since Westminster are still in full control of JSA/UC/ESA benefits and are fully sanctionable as a result.

To say I`m frustrated (like others in Scotland will be too) is an understatement. When WILL any changes be made I wonder? When will we be able to sign on or speak to a work coach on level terms and not be afraid to refuse something without fear? I vote SNP every time an election comes around because I know (in time) they, under Nicola Sturgeon`s leadership will make changes. They keep saying these things take time and they can`t rush them in order to make the correct decisions. Well I think most people baring the brunt of having to endure these face to face grillings every week/fortnight/month are sick to the back teeth of hearing promises that never materialise. I live in hope that Scotland WILL make real changes to our welfare system and ban sanctions, ban the bedroom tax and allow people their control and dignity again. Will it happen? Your guess is as good as mine.
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Scottish welfare notes on voluntary/non voluntary question.. 08 Sep 2017 22:35 #4152

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Scotland is writing into their Social Security bill that SS is a human right. My guess is this will lead to the end of sanctions in Scotland.

Work Programs will be voluntary, too. Ingeus treated me really badly because they knew they had power over me. Honestly, I hope everyone at Ingeus in Scotland loses their jobs.

I am on UC in Scotland and all I can say is that I have been treated very well this year after having 3 years of being intimidated, threatened and bullied. Earlier this year my work coach told me that he had been told to treat people with respect and be helpful. In the previous three years I had to sign off for periods of time because of the horrendous treatment by JCP and Ingeus.

I have a great deal of hope that everyone in Scotland will be treated better now.
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Scottish welfare notes on voluntary/non voluntary question.. 09 Sep 2017 10:31 #4155

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"Earlier this year my work coach told me that he had been told to treat people with respect and be helpful. In the previous three years I had to sign off for periods of time because of the horrendous treatment by JCP and Ingeus.

I have a great deal of hope that everyone in Scotland will be treated better now. "
Careful! There will be a stampede into Scotland from England.
While I'm happy that pressure on Scottish folk will ease off. It doesn't seem fair that others in UK are treated differently.
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Just for paying a few bills! That's out of proportion...
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Scottish welfare notes on voluntary/non voluntary question.. 09 Sep 2017 11:22 #4156

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Thanks for your input JJ and welcome to the forum. I feel things are a bit up and down at the moment. I`m not being asked into my job centre very often just now since I`m on ESA and for some reason, I`m having telephone interventions periodically, which I`m greatful for, but I`m under no illusion that won`t change again. My new coach is just asking me how I am and whether I can do some volunteering once I contact a few people regarding this, but in all honesty, my main focus is my health and even if I could do a few hours volunteering every week, I don`t truly feel part of the group or the organisation if I can`t be there more frequently and that makes me feel awkward, but being in the WRAG group, it`s apparently a condition of me getting my ESA (according to one coach) but she can go jump...

moogs, your absolutely right about Scotland and the rest of the UK being unbalanced or may become unbalanced where welfare terms go, but given things up here are moving slower than a snail with no slime, I`m wondering how long it`s going to actually take for our welfare system to actually feel different.
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Scottish welfare notes on voluntary/non voluntary question.. 09 Sep 2017 12:12 #4158

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moving slower than a snail with no slime <-- :lol: never heard that before
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Scottish welfare notes on voluntary/non voluntary question.. 09 Sep 2017 16:52 #4160

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Glad you got a laugh out of it! It just annoys me that they (the politicians) can see what the welfare system has become with sanctions, food banks, delayed payments etc, yet all they seem to do is talk it down and take no immediate action. I understand the mantra that they can`t just change laws overnight, but come on....how long do people need to suffer because of rules that are in place that can`t be changed within say, a year of parliament implementing change? Surely looking at sanctions for example and stopping them in all forms would be a good start. Where is the argument for continuing with this evil conditionality that has provoked so many minds to speak out against it? How long does it take to suffer under it before any changes are implemented? If indeed, they ever are that is.
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Scottish welfare notes on voluntary/non voluntary question.. 14 Sep 2017 15:05 #4205

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Far too much logic to your point of view Comply :) , the SSP club can't possibly think like that,as to talk it down would be to admit failure of which everyone with the brain the size of an ant is well aware of.

" with sanctions, food banks, delayed payments etc, " and that says it all.

Tory's just want to keep on milking the economy for their own gains and sod the rest of us.
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Scottish welfare notes on voluntary/non voluntary question.. 14 Sep 2017 15:12 #4206

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moogle wrote:
"Earlier this year my work coach told me that he had been told to treat people with respect and be helpful. In the previous three years I had to sign off for periods of time because of the horrendous treatment by JCP and Ingeus.

I have a great deal of hope that everyone in Scotland will be treated better now. "
Careful! There will be a stampede into Scotland from England.
While I'm happy that pressure on Scottish folk will ease off. It doesn't seem fair that others in UK are treated differently.



I totally sympathise with you Moogle,there was a thing on the news this morning by the tax payers alliance saying just how bad peoples mental state has become,the instability of work,being predominantly low paid right across the uk is starting to now have a serious knock on effect.The UK are eventually going to have to introduce the UBI to counteract things as when interest rates rise and people start to loose their jobs all over again of which will surely happen there will be an even bigger economic bubble go bang this time.

People are working full time and still having to claim tax credits +housing benefits the sums dont add up and their going to get far worse as uk cant bring enough tax receipts its just a vicious circle sending the politicians dizzy.

As long as the poor can keep subsidising their huge pensions they will be content to play this game decade in decade out, until something very major happens economically speaking to change the trend of the SSP club.

The state things are in now makes me wonder what it will be like after brexit as i dont see any magical wand being waved.

rant over.

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