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TOPIC: Why do JCP employ “bouncers”?

Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 10:10 #8568

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If they do so because they fear claimants who have been sanctioned will attack JCP staff, why can’t they reintroduce the glass-counters they had in the 1980s—like banks have. Though, even banks now are abandoning them, which is odd, seeing that banks should be secure places.

It seems to me that these “bouncers” serve no useful purpose other than to intimidate claimants by their mere presence.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 10:46 #8572

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we have them at my job center, the one on the second floor is that over weight he gets a sweat on just walking round, if anything kicked doubt he would be much use.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 10:50 #8574

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True. They all look over 45, are overweight and in bad shape. Chances are they are forced to do the job out of lack of other skills. Maybe we should pity them, as they are only one step "above" us--simply slaves to the system, who have no job security and on low wages, and who are one step away from JSA themselves.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 11:04 #8575

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LOL,
If they didnt have these Nethanderals walking round the Police would be round every 10 minutes.
I am very surprised that there has not been a serious incident on one these numbnuts yet but with that said there might well have been but kept out of the media for fear of setting a trend. :)
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 11:33 #8576

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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 11:55 #8577

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There you go BB . Just a few examples eh.
I wonder what will happen if one ends in a fatality one day would it for example be headline news for weeks on end like the MP fatality in Yorkshire ?
As things are only going to get worse for the unemployed and with massage job losses coming through sending more people onto UC I think its only a matter of time really.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 12:16 #8581

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True. They all look over 45, are overweight and in bad shape. Chances are they are forced to do the job out of lack of other skills.
Quite the opposite at my jobcentre, most are quite young and look reasonably fit. Though I don't find any of these clowns intimidating in the slightest, you get the odd few who do try to come over all authoritative giving a hard stare and unsmiling. I find they don't know how to handle a bright and breezy "Hello!" at them when I arrive, and if I see them again on the way out will give them a bright and breezy "Seeya!". They probably hate me. :kiss:
Flotsam: People who are considered to be worthless or to have been rejected by society.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 12:24 #8585

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I can remember a time when we could walk in, sign on and walk out of a jobcentre. No harassment, no guards, nothing. What the hell happened? And I ask the question, why was it ALLOWED to happen when so many opposition MP`s stand there and tell the Tories they should stop doing it or they won`t get their free taxi home.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 12:35 #8588

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Ah the good old days Comply eh.
I blame the TV series Bread for bringing these changes. They we're behind a screen all the time with sour faces and full of sarcastic comment but at least they got it back too without a threat of a sanction
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 12:46 #8591

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I can remember a time when we could walk in, sign on and walk out of a jobcentre. No harassment, no guards, nothing. What the hell happened? And I ask the question, why was it ALLOWED to happen when so many opposition MP`s stand there and tell the Tories they should stop doing it or they won`t get their free taxi home.

Those were the days. I was literally in the building only for 5 minutes then--in and out.

They changed it all partly to make life difficult for us and partly to give private security firms a job. Bring back the glass counters I say.

JCPs are getting dangerous to use. I'd rather be in a pub on a Saturday night at closing time.

Don't know why the quote above came out that way.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 13:11 #8596

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At my jc when anything kicks off the security run away and hide. Probably because all the work coaches are hard nose and don't fear anything.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 16:46 #8610

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At my jc when anything kicks off the security run away and hide. Probably because all the work coaches are hard nose and don't fear anything.

Thats scary Catwomen.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 17:58 #8615

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Catwoman wrote: Probably because all the work coaches are hard nose and don't fear anything.

The one thing they do fear is being on the same side of the desk we are if they don`t apply their managers and those higher up instructions. I think many of them carry out their `training` because they think about their own positions and the `targets` they are supposed to meet and something kicks in. I couldn`t work in such an environment because I`m far too compassionate about assisting and helping others, not making them feel like criminals because they don`t have a job. If I worked in a job centre, I`m afraid I`d be lynched within the first week for being too nice! I would probably be known as the `nice lady` and everyone would seek me out! So I`d need to go incognito and be like the scarlet pimpernel.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 18:13 #8616

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Yes, it takes a certain mean spiritedness to work at a jobcentre. I once saw my former work coach's Linkedin page and there was a photo of him with his wife and kids looking as if he was the most kind guy in the world. Yet I overheard him in 2012 tell someone, while I waited to see him, that he had given them a sanction notice, and he revelled in it.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 12 Jun 2018 18:47 #8618

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I don`t know if it`s fear that makes someone conform to what they are told/trained to do because they got into that job when it wasn`t as brutal as it is now, but because they don`t have other choices to change jobs, they feel they have no choice other than to toe the party line and do as others do. Maybe they just don`t know how to apply their work in a manner that might draw attention on themselves if they dare to change the format? I often see other work coaches sitting near to mine, who could well be there to listen in on their conversation and in turn, said work coach can`t be complacent in what they say. Who knows....


Just to back this up. I`ve spoken to a work coach over the phone and they couldn`t have been nicer. A bit like coming off the phone feeling good about the conversation I`ve just had more like a light hearted chat than a meeting about work related activity. Yet I met this same work coach in person once and her attitude was not the same. I expected a smiling person when my name was called, but she looked a bit stern and walked away from me as I followed her to the desk. Not what I expected at all. So as I said above, the job centre atmosphere can change someone`s approach just because they are being monitored. I always be myself regardless of who I speak to or meet, so if they don`t like me, that`s their bloody problem!
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 13 Jun 2018 10:53 #8628

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Good points you make. Yes most jobcentre staff will probably have been there since Labour were in power and so will not have been as mean then as they are forced to be now. It must be a strain on those ones. New jobcentre employees who got the job after the Tories came to power will probably be mean people anyway—or people who like power.

Your work coach probably acted mean after the phone call to you because she was being watched by other staff. Like you said, they are probably told to spy on each other. The phone call to you was probably made when there was no one watching her, so she could act more decent.

It’s a sad state of affairs that the poor have to deal with such a perverse system just to feed themselves.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 13 Jun 2018 13:42 #8631

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I always try to be myself and say what I think when meeting any work coach because they can`t deny that someone who is my age, has a long work gap history and has health problems isn`t going to walk into a job! I would actually TASK them to find an employer who was willing to do that without me having to look myself. But I`d know if they did find one they would be in the employ of the DWP and not a freelance employer.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 13 Jun 2018 14:32 #8636

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Yes, if jobcentres actually put people in contact with genuine and decent employers then that would be a small step forward. As it is they exist just to make life hell for us as a punishment for being unemployed. They will bring back the work house next.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 13 Jun 2018 16:03 #8639

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archangel wrote: They will bring back the work house next.

I`m sure they wouldn`t hesitate if they had their own way. One of the main reasons we have to keep them on their toes.
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Why do JCP employ “bouncers”? 14 Jun 2018 00:53 #8655

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I signed on once a couple of years back, ALL the 'Bouncers' were Bald/Beer Belly/40 Plus.
I had just signed on and was walking out behind a 'Bouncer'and this horrible smell of B.O. hit me in the face.
My COPD (Breathing Problem) told me to pull over and read a noticeboard (while using my inhaler) until the Air had cleared.

Of all the things I could remember about My Life... I wasn't expecting THAT to be one of them !
Due to Government Cutbacks... The Light at The End of The Tunnel Has Now Been Turned OFF !
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