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ITV Tonight programme 7.30pm 21 Dec 2017 09:16 #5388

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Hungry, Homeless and on Benefits. The Tonight programme on ITV tonight at 7;30pm for half an hour.
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ITV Tonight programme 7.30pm 23 Dec 2017 11:35 #5409

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Just watched it on the itv site and although I could still sense the many types of ignorant voices I have been on the receiving end of over the years shouting a collective 'get a job you idle ****', this was a very balanced and carefully edited programme that didn't separate people on benefits as 'others', rather it showed just how close to the edge many in society are.

Maybe the media have finally realised that the simplistic approach to analysis of benefits ala primarily from an angle of cheats has had a negative effect and with the directly related and more serious issue of homelessness now so visible that it cannot be hidden, a more subtle approach is needed. IMHO it is already too late and we are in a crisis that will have reverberations for decades to come - I fear we are actually at the beginning of a new age of want and only a significanty higher than average full time wage will keep you clear for as long as you can keep it.

I still blame the succession of Labour-Conservative governments from the late 70s for failing to recognise the levels of post industrial fall out followed by an even more serious lack of foresight in dealing with higher levels of population rise - where have the promised building programmes been which we hear of in the build up to each general election? Just empty promises and here we have it the chickens have come home to roost. I don't support UKIP btw but they were right about immigration and this was at the root of the referendum on brexit along with sovereignty rather than it being either one or the other.

Personally I couldn't give a flying fig for nationalism, patriotism or sovereignty as long as I have enough to keep a roof over my head, pay my bills and not have to starve in order to do that but I would still love Scotland to go for independence then somehow show Westminster how to deal with problems like this. Perhaps if I lived in a country where the government actually dealt with things instead of producing one gimmick after another (whichever party is in office) then I might have some of that so called pride. I doubt there is the space to build enough housing to cover the surplus population anyway. Basically somebody needs to build a new city the equivalent of Newcastle which I thought was a great way of putting it into perspective.

What I thankfully saw instead of the usual selective beer swilling foul mouthed scum happily playing to the gallery and reinforcing the negative and inaccurate stereotypes were nice families without all the effing and blinding and dogs all over the place. Real people who have simply been unlucky in life during this harsh economic climate and thus more of a true representation of what most people on benefits or closer to being reliant on them through low incomes are actually like in reality. Also some of those typically eccentric English characters. That office block doorway come homeless Christmas grotto put a rye smile on my face. A homeless man handing out food to people - oh the irony - what a mess we are in. Honestly I do not think I would have made it without my sense of humour at times.

Maybe there is still hope that politicians will act when they realise they have become a laughing stock. Universal credit, unfit for purpose (the purpose of improving peoples lives) by leaving them without money and/or in deeper debt regardless of whether they have worked or not was once again well and truly nailed in this programme.

There may indeed be a political motivation behind this programme specifically against UC merely from a standpoint of attacking the opposition rather than genuinely caring about the people on the receiving end and that would not change things if in power. As the woman at the beginning basically said, it makes you wonder whether working hard is worth it and that is what they still need to get their heads around and change with something a little better planned than this hodge podge roll out of an increasingly flawed new welfare policy. Cash in hand at the end of an honest day's work suited me just fine as an alternative but that would only work again with the relative housing costs to match. The cost of housing was covered here. £1,250 a month rent - how the hell do people get away with charging that?!

Most likely it will take riots before significant changes because these problems have been serious enough for long enough already.
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ITV Tonight programme 7.30pm 23 Dec 2017 15:30 #5411

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Excellent Reply there Verc; I had much hope pinned on the Riots the other year, I expect a Repeat, But on a far Bigger and Massive scale;
The main result of the last Riots was massive police Violence and Thuggery, Long Heavy Jail sentences far beyond what the "Alleged" offenses deserved :angry:
Much better Organisation and Co-operation for future "Protests" are Needed:
But Remember The Conservative Government is 100% To Blame, and not the Shit the Gutter Press Print.
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ITV Tonight programme 7.30pm 23 Dec 2017 16:47 #5412

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Always enjoy your input Verc. I think Universal credit should be renamed Universal Debit. I won`t be touching it with a bargepole if and when my ESA is forced away from me again in the hope I will join the masses that are told, your ESA will stop on X date. I was stupid enough to claim JSA last year when this happened and although I felt at the time it was the right thing to do, possibly because I had a rush to the brain thinking all hell would break loose when my housing benefit was stopped and things might spiral from there, I reluctantly claimed JSA. Looking back, I now know I shouldn`t have jumped the gun and waited until my appeal was in and claimed the ESA assessment rate, but that`s exactly what I will do the next time. I won`t fall at that hurdle again...

The ITV Tonight programme always seems to give a fair sided argument to their documentaries which is why I thought it would be worth a watch and it was. At 64, the older woman who lost her Income Support just showed how inhumane this system is that reports to help people who are most vulnerable. At 64, a widow and left with no money, relying on friends and family to eat, showed exactly how people ARE being treated. A true transparency of the system.

My mother (a pensioner) also watched the programme but she noted a few points. She asked why the 64 year old woman wasn`t getting a widows pension? And if she had been on Income Support for many years, what had she been spending it on? Valid points I thought, but then not everyone saves for a rainy day.

I felt for the woman with the children living in private accommodation. She is in a position that many people find themselves in. Working, yet can`t afford to meet the basics.

Verc is absolutely spot on though regarding the broken promised over years of neglect and non-action over homelessness and house building for the affordable rented sector. It`s all grab, grab, grab and take out a mortgage and then five years on, we will repossess your property when you fall on hard times and sell it on to the next blinkered idiot foolish enough to trust a system that will pull the matt from under you the minute you can`t support yourself.
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