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Do you rent privately 22 Aug 2018 08:04 #9891

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Landlords who say 'no DSS'

This has been going on for years and is rife all over SE UK ,if the government want less people on the streets then do something about it for once actually bloody do something.Less chat more action ! needed. :evil:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-42979242


www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/22/undercover-check-finds-discrimination-against-tenants-on-benefits


www.mirror.co.uk/money/personal-finance/five-leading-letting-agents-discriminate-13117568
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Do you rent privately 27 Aug 2018 17:40 #9982

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I rent privately at the moment without a problem,
In the past rented of a good Buddy of mine, And before that endured 4 years in Social Housing
(Flat), The social Housing was the worst of the lot, was very glad to get out of there.

The Problem for many Landlords is UC and if/when they will get any rent, But of course the Tories dont give
a s*** about that. :angry:
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Do you rent privately 27 Aug 2018 21:11 #9984

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Its the exact opposite for me Paul, all hassle and escalating rents in private sector and more stable with lower rents in social along with much slower rent increases.

I guess its where you are based can be different, quality of homes available etc/ location.

One things for sure the rental sector is in one big fckd up mess.
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Do you rent privately 28 Aug 2018 08:42 #9987

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I`ve always lived in a council home since birth! Never in my past have I thought about rent or worried that my home could be lost due to benefit stoppages. But that has all changed and it`s the one thing everybody needs to protect. My weekly rent is still under £80 a week for a two bedroom house. But it creeps up each year and no doubt, so will the council tax in time. That`s been capped for the last two years by the SNP administration running our council.
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Do you rent privately 28 Aug 2018 23:06 #9990

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It's a bit of a swings and roundabouts scenario as far as I am concerned, private renting - landlords are the problem, social housing it's neighbours and also the long stream of visitors if they happen to be dealers. Right now the extra security and repairs of social housing plus the fair rents difficulties of private have left me settling for being in a council place that I don't like for practical reasons but if things changed for the better I would be off like a shot. The main issue I feel is that my council does not seem geared up to people having a working life and it is a bit of a dumping ground with no wardens and a virtually non-existent estate management, weird as they were one of those spent millions on cladding.

First place I rented when I was 18 was above a shop and the owners gave me a share of the HB back for keeping an eye on the place at night. Another private landlord about 10 years later who had a business at the end of the road and had bought about half of it only to be walloped by the poll tax, the place was garbage everything on token meters and that's with all electric and one side window with no glass in which was freezing in winter, close to the bathroom with no door. Thankfully I only stayed there several months.

Probably the best example of private renting with respect to attitudes about the unemployed: my father had helped me get this as the landlord knew and respected him but I was still made to feel so absolutely greatful and worthless at the same time as he apparently didn't normally rent to DSS claimants. One day a painter came to give the place an uplift for him and as we got talking I went over those basics. You what he said, nearly all his tenants are on benefits! Upstanding pillars of society are not always what they seem.
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Do you rent privately 29 Aug 2018 08:58 #9993

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Verc wrote: First place I rented when I was 18 was above a shop and the owners gave me a share of the HB back for keeping an eye on the place at night

That could be something landlords could offer in exchange for renting. Makes good sense to rent to someone who is prepared to be a security person at the same time! CCTV is expensive so having eyes and ears all the time could be a better option for business owners who have a small flat to rent/share.
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Do you rent privately 29 Aug 2018 13:05 #10001

I'm renting privately, but in a bit of a perilous situation at the moment! When I first moved here (a 2 bedroom terraced house) several years ago I was working full time and moved in with my partner. After we split up I was earning enough money to pay the monthly rent myself (before she left we split it equally) so decided to stay put when she moved out. When I was laid off work I was worried about being put on housing benefit but the (then) landlord assured me that it would be fine. It was even more worrying when the local council would only pay the maximum amount of housing benefit each month for a single person in a 1 bedroomed flat, which worked out about £200 less a month than what was agreed on the tenant's agreement.

Thankfully the landlord was fine with this as he considered me a good tenant, hadn't caused any problems and told me not to worry about the monthly deficit and when back in work I could pay a little more than agreed each month to make up the deficit. Unfortunately this all changed when my landlord sadly died just over a year ago and his wife took over. She decided she needed to sell the property and informed me of this. I was given a few months to try and find somewhere but it was (and still is) a hopeless situation. Being a single male with no children I didn't qualify for social housing so was informed by the council I'd need to try and find somewhere with a private landlord. They said they would help me with this but... ultimately they've been useless and I've been left to my own devices.

I tried explaining to the landlady that it's tough being on benefits trying to find a landlord who accepts anyone on benefits. After a few months she decided to give me a Section 21 notice to leave the property, giving me 2 months to vacate the premises. Of course I still could not find anywhere to rent privately even after I informed the council about this... Next she sorted out an eviction order from the county court, informing the court of the situation, tenant's agreements etc and I was given a form to fill in for my defence and any discrepancies about this eviction notice from the court and the notes the landlady had made. Duly sending off my defence form I waited a while to see what would happen next. Then a letter from the court arrived stating if I didn't leave the premises within a fortnight the bailiffs would be sent in...!
Immediately after reading this letter I headed to my local council again for help. Again they said they couldn't do that much. Thankfully the housing officer I was assigned with noticed in the court eviction order there was no mention made of my defence. So she rang the court and it was found they had received my defence form but somehow had lost it, so the judge should not have issued the 2 week eviction order! I made several visits to my housing officer during all this, and she was most helpful in dealing with the court. At one point the court said they had finally found my defence form and would issue it to the judge ASAP and then he would make his final decision. This bought me a bit more time so I waited, and waited. Of course with all this worry about where I'd be living in the future the council couldn't help at all, unless i'm actually homeless then they said they might be able to help me! Great, eh?!?!

So the situation right now is, I'm still trying to find a place to rent privately, still having no luck whatsoever finding one who'll accept tenants on housing benefit! Oh yeah, the court emailed me about 4 weeks ago informing me that yet again they'd lost my defence form and could I send them a copy!!!! I replied to them saying unfortunately I never made a copy and asked them to send me another form to fill in and then send back to them. I've heard zilch since then, either from the court or from the landlady, so I'm in a bit of a limbo at the moment!

Sorry for the long post!
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Do you rent privately 29 Aug 2018 14:59 #10003

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Tarquin, your story is one that I see countless times on TV documentaries where good people are evicted through no fault of their own and watching the bailiffs stand there while people try to bag up what they can before they change the locks is pitiful. I really don`t understand this part from the council:

Quote" - the council couldn't help at all, unless i'm actually homeless then they said they might be able to help me! Great, eh?!?!

So the council are happy to wait until your actually OUT on the street and then they `might` find you a little flat they have hidden away? Why the hell can`t they pull out all the stops NOW, rather than wait until the clock ticks down? :angry:

I live with my mother but we are joint tenants and if I`m ever on my own after mum passes (which hopefully won`t be for a long time) I doubt I would stay in a two bedroom house if I could move to a studio flat or a one bedroom place where the rent was cheaper, although that`s blue sky thinking in this day and age because even one bedroom flats or bungalows are like hens teeth because many were sold to tenants during the 80`s/90`s and that left very little to share out. Social housing seems to be non existent in many towns now and the houses and flats that are being built are usually a split between social housing and affordable first time buyer properties kept for those who can afford the deposits and mortgage payments.

Really hoping something comes your way Tarquin and your housing officer can find something soon. There are also those multiple occupancy dwellings where landlords rent rooms to people like students etc.....so keep those in mind also, but obvioulsy only if the property is well kept and not a s**t hole.
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Do you rent privately 30 Aug 2018 00:18 #10009

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Tarquin, could your landlay not consider selling the house with a sitting tenant, if her husband viewed you as a good tenant then seems like a possibility. My previous landlord before I moved into my council flat was planning on doing this but the guy who he was selling to had a partner living in an area she was desperate to get out of so they decided they wanted to set up home together in my old place. I sympathize with your predicament as that was in the final year of my degree and I had to move over an easter bank holiday. It does indeed seem strange that a council will wait until you are homeless before helping but it has been that way for many years in my area. I guess their view is to .prioritize and you don't come on their radar until you are in that predicament. At the same time though, a number of councils are very actively trying to discourage homeless begging so you would have thought a policy review in that area would have been made accordingly to help cut down the numbers. In a word 'redtape'
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Do you rent privately 30 Aug 2018 08:26 #10013

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As stated in this thread Social Housing varies a great deal across the Country, With Year on Year CUTS by the Torys on money allocated to all Councils,
Councils are left with bigger and bigger black holes in there resources,
In Liverpool with a strong Labour Council, there is a little more hope of help, but Liverpool has got a Huge Homeless problem,
As a Direct result of Tory Cuts & Benefit Cuts.
If you live in a Tory Council area, You have no hope in hell of Housing or anything else. :angry:
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Do you rent privately 30 Aug 2018 08:51 #10014

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Tarquin, could your landlay not consider selling the house with a sitting tenant, if her husband viewed you as a good tenant then seems like a possibility.

I don't think that's an option. She says she's in financial difficulties and has to sell where she lives too but I don't believe that for a minute (I've checked and her near £1m cottage has so far not been for sale), I'm pretty sure she wants me out so she can rent out again. The average rental for the property I'm residing in has gone up considerably the past few years and with a "professional" moving in she can probably get at least double each month than what she is currently receiving from me in housing benefit. Plus her last communication with me she got rather snotty saying I was causing her great problems by not finding somewhere else as of yet even though I'd told her about the difficulties. I didn't reply to that email from her as I was rather exasperated!

Regarding the council, even the CAB advised me that they're rather useless and only really try to help if you're deemed to be possibly homeless within a few days. As everything is in limbo right now due to the cock ups from the county court regarding my defence form, it appears the council has once more put me on hold until I get a final letter of eviction from the judge. This has been going on for several months now and I do feel like I'm banging my head against a brick wall regarding finding elsewhere.

Another stumbling block is if I do actually find somewhere to live, there's the cost of moving. My family are rather useless and of no help whatsoever, so having to hire a removal company to move all my furniture etc (that's another problem, most places for rent are furnished but I have all my own furniture and certainly cannot afford to put it in storage!) I just don't have the money for that and I'm sure the council won't be able to help with that either! Plus many private landlords want at least a month's rent in advance before you move in and that just ain't going to happen is it?!?! :blink:
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Do you rent privately 30 Aug 2018 09:12 #10016

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I often pass houses where bags of stuff and furniture are all piled in a corner of the garden looking as though someone has `moved on` by a landlord and they just can`t take stuff with them and I find this just shameful. Do they expect a person just to up-sticks and not give a thought to their possessions like bed, cooker, fridge, etc..?

Hiring a van for a day can costs around £25 but you need someone to drive it and be able to get the stuff onto the van and to the new home. Not easy if you don`t have friends or family members able to free up their time to help out. Moving from one home to another isn`t easy. Keep us informed of your predicament Tarquin because we are all here for you morally if not physically. Stay positive.
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Do you rent privately 30 Aug 2018 18:43 #10027

It's all escalated somewhat the past few hours, I had a letter drop through the post this afternoon stating if I'm still residing at the property in 2 weeks time the bailiffs will be paying a visit to legally force me out. I've contacted the council about this because I should not have received this letter, funnily enough from a different county court to the one I've been dealing with, as I'm still waiting on the final decision from the judge at the court where I received my first possession order. So, everything is all a bit worrying still not having found alternate accomodation...
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Silly question Tarquin, but have you also contacted Shelter? It`s a disgrace that someone willing to pay their way is hounded like this just because the landlord wants to sell the house. Has your housing person at the council aware of this new letter and could she now prioritise your case? Or do they actually wait until someone has the keys changed and then arrives at their offices bags in hand?

If all else fails, might be some good people on here or elsewhere on the web who could help you out with a bed or somewhere to go (without telling the council) until they find you accommodation Tarquin. We need to look after our own.
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Hi Tarquin,

I feel for your situation as i too was faced with something similar and even worse in my case as i had 1 day; was a very complexed situation after divorce but nearly left me in an even worse living hell than i previously was in.

Unfortunately the whole policy on this
"unless i'm actually homeless then they said they might be able to help me! Great, eh?!?!" is riffe all over the country as government have as per usual dragged their feet to bother to implement any worthwhile changes in the rental sector.

Male or female; single without any kids and we are as in their view bottom of the food chain in more ways than one and also seen as easy pickings for cheap always available 24/7 in the labor market.

I was incredibly lucky in one way that i managed to get myself on the council waiting list and after 5 years of privately renting in a scumbag type area got the chance of a social rental of where i now remain ,or should say stuck.The alternative isn't worth thinking about as the rent would be 100% higher back in my old town.

If you have anything of any value id move this somewhere now! if you can as bailiffs have a nasty habit of turning up whenever,if you have a good friend or relative maybe get them to help until you are settled,i know the difficulties you face.

Currently in my area, they have 300+- homes available and 38.000 on the waiting list and this is in a supposedly affluent area :cheer: affluent if your one of the people in social housing earning 40k plus and must be very bloody nice. :evil:

Tarquin see the CAB about when to vacate if your housing officer doesen't appear up to scratch with the legalities of things, dont leave 1 day sooner than you have to.

All the legal stuff here:
www.gov.uk/evicting-tenants

There use to be financial help with moving costs from councils, but i'd take a good bet that the torys have put a nice little stop to that but worth checking just incase.


As Verc said earlier "still made to feel so absolutely grateful and worthless at the same time"I've felt that many times Verc and it's that feeling the whole welfare system likes to impose on us :evil:

It's VERY UNFORTUNATE that the people so far up the food chain who invent these 'systems ideas'' will never feel the hell a lot on here and out ther are now feeling.






The best of luck.

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Male or female; single without any kids and we are as in their view bottom of the food chain in more ways than one and also seen as easy pickings for cheap always available 24/7 in the labor market.


Yes, the expendables.
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Do you rent privately 06 Sep 2018 20:18 #10088

Thanks everyone it's all been a bit stressful the past few days! Thankfully I had an appointment with a different housing officer today who is really on top of things. She stated that the original possession order is null and void as the landlord had incorrect information on the section 21 form I was sent. She helped me fill in a new defence form stating that the original court order from the judge be thrown out pointing out the incorrect information, also stating the incompetence of the court in losing my original defence form not just once but twice! She told me that the landlord will have to start all over again and send a new section 21 with the correct information, which I'm sure will ruffle a few feathers. I sent off the defence form, by recorded delivery, to the court this afternoon and asked for a hearing in front of the judge where I will produce all the evidence I have at their incompetence. The housing officer also said I should ask for compensation due to all the stress I've been put under the past few months. I've certainly grown a few more grey hairs since this all started!

So, now just waiting on a reply from the court. It might not even go to a hearing as I also presented with the defence form all the evidence on my side, the judge might just decide to throw out their claim as soon as he sees it. So hopefully this'll buy me more time to find somewhere else. I'll keep you all updated how it goes!
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Chin up Tarquin, at least the people you are meeting at your council know about your predicament and fingers crossed, they could find something for you before the landlord has a chance to retaliate. Really hoping something happens for you soon.
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Do you rent privately 18 Sep 2018 22:39 #10223

Quick update. Had the court hearing today. I managed to get the bailiffs called off with 32 minutes to spare! While at the court awaiting my hearing (bailiffs were cancelled once I'd provided my defence form to the usher), estate agent rang me to remind me that bailiffs were visiting, I will be evicted today and a locksmith is currently at the property about to change locks! I quickly informed him that the bailiffs had just been cancelled and he'd better tell the locksmith to stop whatever he's doing.

Anyway, after waiting for over 4 hours I was finally before the judge and she was full of utter contempt at how incompetent the landlord/estate agents and the court had been in dealing with this situation. The original possession order from months ago was overturned, and costs of over £400 I was supposed to pay were wiped. Solicitor who was there on behalf of landlord didn't have a leg to stand on because my defence evidence at their incompetence was so overwhelming. The judge also ruled that the most recent eviction order was not valid due to the possession order never being resolved due to incompetence of original county court losing my original defence form.

Of course this will probably lead to the landlord getting a little more nasty, but I'll be prepared. An amended possession claim has to be made out by the landlord which has to be presented at a set date within the next 2 weeks, and I have until middle of next month to present my next defence form should I need one. So, it'll be a case of "here we go again" very soon. But i'm just relieved that at long bloody last this has been sorted out in my favour.... B)
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Great to hear that you survived this Tarquin and also don't have the costs on top of the stress. Wow imagine how people who are landed with costs after this shambles would feel on top of being chucked on the street. I am assuming that this will have cost the landlady something though and really hope this puts her off (yeah wishful thinking I know). Right now in her position I would likely be thinking to myself that the incompetence of the system outweighs the inconvenience which she sees you as. As her husband was happy with your tenancy this obviously means you looked after the place well enough and a wise friend would be pointing this out to her. Good tenants are not so easy to find and ones on benefits it tends to be steady payments (until UC came along and messed things up for many of course). Still greed often trumps common sense so you are right to be preparing for the longer battle. If you are still hunting for a new place it would also be poetic justice that if you get something quick and then she is a) without immediate rent and b) struggles to sell or get a richer tenant on a higher rent as soon as she would like. And just because they are rich does not follow that they pay on time, some folks with money know the system very well and are in a better position to play it.
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