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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 29 Sep 2017 12:21 #4388

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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out
www.welfareweekly.com/theresa-may-faces-backbench-rebellion-over-universal-credit-roll-out/

Universal credit rollout should be paused, say Tory MPs
www.theguardian.com/society/2017/sep/29/universal-credit-rollout-should-be-paused-tory-mps

As damaging as the Poll Tax: Tory row over Universal Credit could destroy Theresa May
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/860242/universal-credit-benefits-system-conservative-party-welfare-reform-tory-mps-campaign
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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 29 Sep 2017 14:21 #4389

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Theresa May urged to halt Universal Credit roll-out
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41433019

Universal Credit: Dame Louise Casey says rolling out new system 'like jumping over a cliff'
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/benefit-system-rollout-tory-mps-call-halt-government-concerns-impact-claimants-david-gauke-a7973516.html
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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 29 Sep 2017 16:40 #4390

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Reading a few of the comments within the links above, even some Tory MP`s are saying it`s causing hardship and claiming also that removing 63p in each £ earned is effectively a high `tax` on low earnings. Lets face it, these people KNOW UC is on the edge, but they continue to praise it as a good thing, even though for many, it`s ruining their health and lives. Outcome? They don`t give a toss.
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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 29 Sep 2017 17:11 #4391

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Big discussion right now about UC on Lbc radio.

Some torys are asking for a rethink.
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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 29 Sep 2017 17:34 #4392

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Listening. B)
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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 29 Sep 2017 21:01 #4394

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UC is just a scam dreamed up by IDS for the benefit of abusive companies like Sports Direct and Amazon. UC was to force people on to zero hours contracts. That is all it is about.

UC needs to be scrapped along with zero hours contracts.

I think Theresa May will be removed next year. She is so incompetent that she will not be allowed to stay. Good riddance.
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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 29 Sep 2017 21:33 #4398

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"“Universal Credit lies at the heart of our commitment to help people improve their lives and raise their incomes.

“It does that by providing additional, tailored support not available under the old benefit system, including more help for those in work so they can eventually stop claiming benefits altogether, and under Universal Credit people are moving into work faster and staying in work longer than under the previous system.""


Anyone believing that bull above needs their head testing.

I totally agree the whole system has been put in place as economists had warned the gov some years before that jobs market was going to seriously dry up and be filled with low paid short term contract jobs.

Meanwhile those who are in relatively well paid jobs are funding those at the bottom of the pile with tax credits and HB CTAX while the lower paid are actually working getting paid peanuts for wages and claiming and signing on at the same time as they cant get enough hrs..

Scumbag employers taking people on part time to avoid any additional Ni tax and holiday pay and axing people at a whim.

We are in a serious mess and i see UBI as the only way out to stop the majority being driven like sheep into a warehouse culture.

I am getting on now and have seen it all but never have i seen such a system as Useless Credit. :)



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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 29 Sep 2017 22:59 #4400

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WTCs and Minimum Wage lower than the rise in cost of living from that halfwit thatcherite Gordon Brown got the ball rolling. It allowed lots of firms, supermarkets one of the worst culprits to pay less than they had been doing and are now deservedly suffering against the success of better business models from lidl and aldi. Foreigners showing brits how to do it on their own patch, imagine that. Stripped back military, police and nursing. How the mighty have fallen.

Link the culture of shrinking wages in real terms to pay in the NHS, nurses using food banks, the health service in crisis because the local trusts are in debt through PFI, merging already fit to burst A&E depts and Blair and co basically set it up on a plate for the conservative party - because it would have caused a storm the other way around. There is an accepted wider general culture crept along in the space of a generation - in historical context it's been frighteningly sharp and might have taken centuries to develop before. Then again sudden bursts of bubbles can cause a fracture lasting or even permanent. None of that is going to worry MPs though because through all of this notice how they have kept getting their pay rise.

All in all this downward spiral of inadequacy made UC less of a controversy and shock to the system as people were already sinking much further into debt and poverty. And with the extreme crisis in homelessness there is an example of something worse with which to compare and contrast. They are of course closely linked issues but remember that politicians dress everything up in isolated statistics to make their dubious points. Furthermore we are in an age of huge people displacement and movement internationally that still makes us look relatively rich, as crazy as that sounds. Fingers crossed on Davies coming up with a good deal eh.

UC nearing completion during brexit negotiations a coincidence?

It has all been happening in stages rather steadily with no turning back whatsoever. No abolition of WTCs or minimum wage from the conservatives for example. A culture of dependency not just for the unemployed but rolled out onto the workforce now closer to so called scroungers than they ever thought they would be by virtue of being able to say 'at least I'm in a job'. Yes the UK economy is an absolute joke and it's not a funny one.

I remain convinced it's all part of a general cross party parliamentarian plan to get wages down that even if Corbyn generally wants to turn around he's in a distinct minority and will probably get nobbled by his own party for losing the last election as soon as they can get a good enough excuse.

As for Tory rebellion it's probably all stage managed. Let's just think about the timing for one minute. It is a classic birds have flown situation whereby they can all protest to the rafters how hard they tried (at the last minute years into the collateral damage) but sadly and surprisingly to no avail were not able to halt it. Oh and didn't Labour try so valiantly as well and then in their next term of office will just keep the damn lot of it all firmly in place.

Nothing these two faced rats do surprises me anymore.

This is more like an excuse to get rid of May for landing a minority govt - once it's too late and gone through into full roll out unhindered and she can be blamed for not listening. Even with it continuing to go horribly wrong it won't matter as they will have got what they want and tell us it is irreversible and a waste of taxpayers' money to try doing so.

The reality is that UC has already become a norm for the concept of full roll out to be of no significant relevance, it was set up that way from the start to make people think there was time to change it. The six week delay in pay is a fundamental part of the legislation, it was designed to cause hardship and if you think Gauke is the saviour type then you've got a lot more faith in humanity than I have. UC has for many months been leaving people without the money to pay their bills and wrecked thousands of working peoples' lives. Even making a mockery of the always being better off in work mantra in the process hasn't altered anything and that is because the mantra was always BS just an exercise in being able to say it and get away with it through the lack of accountability which is our democracy folks.

Are the conservatives only just getting embarrassed to do something about this now when the problems with this new system have been established from very early for a sustained period (63p in the pound just now an issue eh), really? Are the relevant tory MPs behind this so called rebellion only now getting constituents contacting them in crisis?

I am sure many of the people working in support agencies like CAB are sat shaking their heads and saying it's all just too little, too late because they identified the problems way back and little has changed.

Why not introduce a UBI instead? Because it would work (and no doubt will happen in other countries) that's why not and the purpose of this system is that it should not work well at all just make life increasingly difficult and pointless for people who have enjoyed relative freedom just a wee bit too long for the liking of a totalitarian regime in the making that has already set itself up as the world's policeman.

Industry is not generally growing but the population is and the way is being prepared for a much darker future that ain't too far away. Of course it doesn't have to be this way but so far it is and has been for too long to expect any sudden change for the better. The only hope is that it backfires on them in ways they didn't foresee. It seems right now that the only thing which can save Britain is for everything to come crashing down and start again from scratch or we might end up like Greece.

What a stupid mismanaged mess.

Wish I was younger and better fixed with some serious money behind me because I would be planning to emigrate pronto.
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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 30 Sep 2017 12:19 #4403

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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 30 Sep 2017 16:15 #4405

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A UBI would be the answer Verc but we know how they like p**ssing on people`s lives for that to be too easy. If they gave me £100 quid a week and my housing benefit element if it meant leaving me the hell alone, I would grab it. Buy they don`t want to be seen to be giving money to anyone who isn`t productive, do they? It doesn`t matter to them that there will ALWAYS be people out of work for various reasons and their answer to that is to keep applying the pressures of UC and can`t see beyond it. If someone gets one hour of work a week, they will smile and say look, that person is working, yeehaa! Ah whoopy-doo, how much better off they will be gaining 37p extra. :angry:
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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 02 Oct 2017 12:32 #4423

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Universal Credit: Advance payments offered as rollout continues
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41470251
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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 02 Oct 2017 13:32 #4424

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Universal credit rollout will go ahead despite Tory MPs' call for delay
www.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/02/heidi-allen-tory-mp-theresa-may-universal-credit

Conservative party conference: Tory MP makes last-ditch plea to ministers to halt Universal Credit rollout
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/universal-credit-rollout-heidi-allen-tory-mp-plea-ministers-work-and-pensions-committee-benefits-a7978011.html
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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 02 Oct 2017 14:06 #4426

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Universal Credit wait a key factor in rent arrears, says DWP report

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41278248

There is no end to politicians total arrogance :angry: .
They all live in a bubble with golden spoons in their gobs,picture that. :cheer:


"Of those Universal Credit claimants who fell into arrears on their rent, the majority said it was the first time they had fallen behind on their payments in their current accommodation."

They dont say! :whistle:

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Theresa May faces backbench rebellion over universal credit roll-out 02 Oct 2017 15:34 #4431

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I`m no mystic Meg, but even I could see there would be no change here. They have spent far too much money on this IT mess for them to admit failure and although they say `advanced payments` are available on UC, that money has to be deducted from future payments as it is a loan only, not a grant or a hardship payment. There was a bloody idiot (woman Tory MP) on the Politics show on BBC2 earlier today and she was asked about the UC roll out and she started saying that for every £1 earned........she paused for a moment and I knew she had came unstuck as she didn`t know the amount you are allowed to keep and she continued....ALL of that money! :angry:

She either didn`t know that we only keep 37p of that £1.00 earned, or she didn`t want to say it and swerved the question. The interviewer should then have pounced on her for not knowing. Typical bloody BBC. If it had been Diane Abbott, would have been a different story no doubt. Totally p**ssed me off just listening to it.
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