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Is Finland’s basic universal income a solution to automation, 10 Nov 2017 11:46 #4859

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Is Finland’s basic universal income a solution to automation, fewer jobs and lower wages?

Both left and right are promoting the idea of a basic wage for everyone, currently on trial, as a solution to the new world of work

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When he got the letter after Christmas saying he was entitled to an unconditional income of €560 (£478) a month, Mika Ruusunen couldn’t believe his luck. “At first I thought it was a joke. I had to read it many times. I looked for any evidence it might be false.”

But the father of two was not the victim of a scam. He has been selected to take part in an experiment being run by the Finnish government, in which 2,000 unemployed people between the ages of 25 and 58 will receive a guaranteed sum – a “basic income” – of €560 a month for two years. It replaces their unemployment benefit, but they will continue to receive it whether or not they find work. The government hopes it will encourage the unemployed to take on part-time work without worrying about losing their benefits.

Ruusunen lives in Kangasala, a half-hour bus ride from where we meet in Tampere, the country’s second city, known as the “Manchester of Finland”. Like its namesake, the signs of the 19th-century wealth generated by the industrial revolution are strikingly visible.

Today, the Finnish economy continues to struggle in the wake of the financial crisis, which hit just as communications giant Nokia’s star was starting to wane. This left Ruusunen, who lost his job as a baker two years ago, struggling to find work. He was unemployed when participants for the basic income pilot were randomly selected, but had started a paid IT apprenticeship by the time he got the letter.

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www.theguardian.com/society/2017/feb/19/basic-income-finland-low-wages-fewer-jobs
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Is Finland’s basic universal income a solution to automation, 10 Nov 2017 12:07 #4860

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Everytime I hear any debates about a UBI in the UK it`s a negative one, probably due to the fact that there has been (since Cameron and his goons and even before that) have brainwashes the masses that those claiming anything are useless to society as a whole, so they are then going to think that a UBI is money for nothing if a large amount of the population decide to live off it and never work again. Chances are, that could happen, but most people would want to keep learning, volunteering their time or even look for a part time income still. Without the bullying tactics from joke central plus hovering over us.

As it is, the benefits system is paying money in return for keeping people trapped and feeling demoralised. If that was changed and sanctions and dead-end skills courses were taken off the menu, people could still sign on and meet a work coach to discuss options but be able to walk out the door and decide what they wanted to do, NOT leave feeling like a kept person.
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Is Finland’s basic universal income a solution to automation, 10 Nov 2017 17:47 #4866

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TORYS will eventually have to suck it up whether they like it or not as they already have millions earning and paying zero tax and that number will just grow and grow and thats before the robots take charge. :cheer:
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I`m fearing the whole `in-work conditionality` trick where if you work part time, they won`t just accept that you are being productive (as they would with JSA) and reducing the amount of money they are paying us. With UC, it seems they will hound you or sanction you if you fail or refuse to take up more hours or other jobs to make up the shortfall. Universal Credit seems to have been created to do just that. They will say more people are finding and staying in work on UC, but that`s because they don`t have a choice in the matter because once they are found (or bullied) into a job, they can`t leave it for fear of being penalised.
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