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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 22 Aug 2018 16:28 #9904

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Had the dreaded appointment today with another coach to see how they could help me as i've been out of work so long. Anyhow the person i was meant to see wern't there and the signing was straight forward.But for my next appointment it's a group session to do with crossing over to Universal credit. Question is there any upside to be being changed over and what to expect when i do swap. Does this mean even if im offered a few hrs work ill have to take it as my money will get topped up by UC. Want to be clued up when i go in as JSA suits me in truth.
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 22 Aug 2018 17:35 #9905

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This is a breeze i did it 2 years ago now, all sitting in 1 room with some Muppet taking the session telling you how wonderful not!! UC will be and how it will help you get back into 'work.'

Its no big deal at all but the unknown is always a stressful thing.

They will have probably updated their usual bullshit with 'you now HAVE TO DO THIS OR ELSE like 100 times so be ready to take a nap.'

Have a real good read under the section of universal credit on this forum and gather as many FOl requests that may sound relevant to your circumstances.

In short the name of the game is to get ANYONE working for as little as possible either short term ,zero hours in ANY job and yes sell it to you that UC is bloody great cos ya can still claim it,in a nut shell its not great and full of complexities.

Everyone's situation is different , so take all advice and apply it to your own situation.

www.citizensafe.co.uk/tips-and-guides/the-whens-and-hows-of-switching-to-universal-credit

Phone the UC helpline and ask them to address your concerns in particular with the switch over to JSA so you are not out of pocket while they piss around processing your claim as that has taken some 6-8 weeks in certain cases and thats just for when they first applied for UC.


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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 10:48 #10080

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Had the UC talk and it was a car crash. Job out sourced to a company where 1 the woman couldnt get the computer to work so a claiment got it going and then we could not here a thing. Waste of time. Basically to claim UC they are saying you need to be verified buy computer to claim UC. But now ive read the leaflet it just says will be more challenging to claim UC without verifying . The link is www.signin.service.gov.uk/start. Got until November and then everyone will be on it apparently.
Roll on 2 weeks time as i have another coarse to do with transferable skills from the same company.
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 11:54 #10081

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It says in the Guardian that claimants will get a letter giving them:

"three months to apply for universal credit before their current benefits are cancelled".

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/sep/06/universal-credit-next-stage-of-rollout-flaws-million-working-families
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 12:04 #10082

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im on job-seekers, but i read somewhere that if your over 60 (60 and 6 months to be exact) you can carry on receiving job-seekers and no need to claim universal credit. im 61 so think i might be exempt from uc
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 13:11 #10084

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" im on job-seekers, but i read somewhere that if your over 60 (60 and 6 months to be exact) you can carry on receiving job-seekers and no need to claim universal credit. im 61 so think i might be exempt from uc"

That was the case London some time ago when it was just the basic UC . Now they rolling this FULL UC out and it dont matter what your age is.
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 16:07 #10086

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When they say `Verify` do they mean ONLY by computer and clicking on the `Verfify` option where you choose from a list of companies to do your ID check? Or do they mean people can still opt to verify their details at the job centre interview that inevitably takes place anyway after the online application, regardless of whether we choose to verify `online` or not? Talk about confused.com?!! :unsure:
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 16:42 #10087

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been to joke center today for a group meeting, only for people on jsa. adviser said as we are on jsa not universal credit we will be getting special treatment. we have to go in for five days group meetings for cv writing interview skill,mock interviews same old crap, also she mentioned job placements which will be mandatory. she said she will make sure we all have a job shortly, this is getting worse,im 61 with health issues and feel like ending it.
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 20:26 #10089

london123 wrote:
also she mentioned job placements which will be mandatory.
I'm sure they can't do that, and her claim needs investigating.

I did notice though at my JCP they're pushing a lot of claimants to seek "training" which the DWP will apparently help with. I have an appointment tomorrow afternoon, which is all I need after the crap I've had to suffer the past week or so, with a "specialist" advisor who will discuss with me what training courses I should apply for. That should be a joy. I'll be recording this appointment as I'm sure I'll be fed a load of claptrap. Oh, and I'll be claiming fares from the bastards!
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 21:10 #10090

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the work roach at the group meeting said they will offer voluntary courses and placements, first but if we don't take them. they will then be mandatory, also we will get bus fairs paid for and they can call us in for an appointment any time they wish. also we have to do 35 hours a week job search.not just looking on net, we have to go out handing are CVS out to stores and company's and get proof,
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 22:57 #10091

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the work roach at the group meeting said they will offer voluntary courses and placements, first but if we don't take them. they will then be mandatory, also we will get bus fairs paid for and they can call us in for an appointment any time they wish. also we have to do 35 hours a week job search.not just looking on net, we have to go out handing are CVS out to stores and company's and get proof,
I'd challenge all of that, it's utter bollocks. If you're still on JSA they can't make you do a 35 hours a week job search. Will they have this in writing? As for handing out CVs to stores and companies, what proof exactly do they want? A selfie of you and manager of the store as you hand them your CV? Again, utter bollocks. I think this work roach you saw needs to be told they're talking garbage....
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 23:18 #10092

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Hi London123, I thought this game was banned a few years ago "she mentioned job placements which will be mandatory."

If this is now the case then taking into consideration any health issues you have ensure you highlight these in a BIG way to your roach and get them recorded on dwps system.

These morons think they can just throw sheep at a business and all will be well, unfortunately it won't and hardly ever is;it will cost business a bloody fortune through joke shop incompetence with their ideological dreams of 'employment' under UC. :whistle:

Get your game plan sorted ASAP as this is exactly what it is for anyone 45+ the work on offer is a bloody joke and wages in line with benefits.
They don't give a sod that your transport costs of getting to any said job will have you running at a financial deficit.

Remember this, whatever they propose has to be reasonable to your current circumstances so start compiling a list that will go in your favour and not theirs :evil: .

Also anything roach is saying is mandatory ask for the full regulations etc that explains it as such, you have a right to know and to see them,they will come out with any kind of crap if you let them.Sometimes you have to do X;but there are many times when you dont ;) :)

Keep us all posted London123 on your latest escapades with all this, i am in exactly the same boat and not getting younger either .


Good luck.


"we have to go out handing are CVS out to stores and company's and get proof,"
Then you will naturally need x amount for all printing and ink costs as well as any transport costs while doing this circus.
If refused get on to your local MP and ask what part of bloody skint dont these morons get? :cheer:
Ask for a letter from joke shop stating what proof they want from these businesses so they will look like total twits with their looney mentality.
Believe me i can't see any managers having time or wanting to give their time giving something to you to say x was here on x day etc etc. :evil:



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"I did notice though at my JCP they're pushing a lot of claimants to seek "training" which the DWP will apparently help with."


My sympathies Tarquin as i know these types of courses and training arent good for toilet paper to any employer unless they are as till operation for herding sheep into tescos and the like.It's all about bums on seats and someone is making some nice cash out of us all. :evil:


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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 06 Sep 2018 23:29 #10093

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comply or die wrote:
When they say `Verify` do they mean ONLY by computer and clicking on the `Verfify` option where you choose from a list of companies to do your ID check? Or do they mean people can still opt to verify their details at the job centre interview that inevitably takes place anyway after the online application, regardless of whether we choose to verify `online` or not? Talk about confused.com?!! :unsure:

Or is it .gov verify :whistle:
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 07 Sep 2018 09:11 #10097

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they said they need written proof from an employer of the store or company when handing out the cv, she stated we have to do 35 hours a week looking for work, also i use a walking stick as they know, as i have pain in my right leg from an accident .but they expect me to swan round Bradford town center handing cvs out. also they now have me signing on at this group meeting on the top floor, 3 flights of stairs to climb. its a bloody joke they don't care . theirs three roaches present at the group meeting and five of us on jsa.,
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 07 Sep 2018 09:59 #10098

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they said they need written proof from an employer of the store or company when handing out the cv, she stated we have to do 35 hours a week looking for work
Written proof from an employer? Again utterly ridiculous! They probably don't even know how ridiculous they sound. How many examples of written proof are they expecting you to give them each week? Also if she's telling you this all verbally, it is NOT mandatory, anything mandatory has to be in writing. Getting written proof from an employer that you'd handed them a CV personally is not mandatory and never will be mandatory. You need to challenge her on this. Does she also want written proof of your 35 hours a week looking for work? If so then challenge her again about this because on JSA you do not have to do this.

Bullying tactics like this really infuriate me and having to see some jobsworth myself this afternoon I won't be surprised if I'm fed the same crap. Well, I think they might have a surprise in store if they do!
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 07 Sep 2018 10:37 #10099

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london123 wrote:
they said they need written proof from an employer of the store or company when handing out the cv, she stated we have to do 35 hours a week looking for work, also i use a walking stick as they know, as i have pain in my right leg from an accident .but they expect me to swan round Bradford town center handing cvs out. also they now have me signing on at this group meeting on the top floor, 3 flights of stairs to climb. its a bloody joke they don't care . theirs three roaches present at the group meeting and five of us on jsa.,
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Not sure what happened there but in short if no lift in the building you should be able to get appointment moved down stairs. Take it up with them and go higher if needed. Taking the pee out of us. Wish you the very best of luck with the jobsworths.
Had a little chuckle to myself the other day as i see a muslim coach i wonder what he thought of me being a ex pig farmer. Maybe he never noticed as the signing went smoothly.
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london 123 wrote: also i use a walking stick as they know, as i have pain in my right leg from an accident .but they expect me to swan round Bradford town center handing cvs out. also they now have me signing on at this group meeting on the top floor, 3 flights of stairs to climb. its a bloody joke they don't care

Being on ESA myself, this jumped off the page at me. You need to address this as a `risk` or `unreasonable demand` by them on a person who would inevitably be unable to perform a task where it could exacerbate (worsen) their pain and also, get an appointment with your GP and show the GP what they are demanding. I`m sure he will be interested to see the `handing out CV`s and walking around` part. This alone could encourage your GP to provide you with a fit note to exempt you from such activities. Or if not a fit note, some form of letter which would mean they would have to address your problems. Also mention the three flights of stairs. Especially if you struggle or `need to stop` after going up a few steps due to feeling your leg pain come on when attempting to climb steps.
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If this is now the case then taking into consideration any health issues you have ensure you highlight these in a BIG way to your roach and get them recorded on dwps system.

Anyone who has ANY limitations should have them recorded on their file. Walking with a stick for any reason means someone required the use of an `aid` to balance, to provide them with a leverage to be able to stabalise themselves and mention any breathlessness, needing to stop due to pain/weakness etc...

And don`t worry if they say, "why didn`t you report these problems before".. you say "Because they didn`t pose the same level of pain I get now". And explain that over the last year your MOBILITY has worsened.
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 07 Sep 2018 18:32 #10106

Fortunately no mention was made of UC, or 35 hour jobsearch/handing out CVs to whoever at my pointless non-signing appointment. It was a look into how they could "help you back into work", which basically was no help whatsoever. I was referred to yet another useless job fair, organised by the jobcentre, one of those where they check if you attend or not and if you don't attend "your benefits could be affected". I shoved my eviction letter in front of her face and said "I'm being evicted in 11 days, attending a job fair in a week's time is hardly top of my priorities" but this robot wouldn't be moved. Why they couldn't do this at a normal signing on appointment I don't know. Anyway, I won't attend, just like I didn't attend last time and nothing came of it.
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Being switched from JSA to Universal credit 08 Sep 2018 08:13 #10107

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It looks to me that there is utter and total confusion over the Switch over from JSA to UC,
At least we can all try and make sense of it all on here,
While DWP are clueless !
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