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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing 13 Jan 2018 10:37 #5673

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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing costs paid?

Dave made this Freedom of Information request to Department for Work and Pensions
Response to this request is delayed. By law, Department for Work and Pensions should normally have responded promptly and by 11 January 2018 (details)

8 December 2017
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Dear Department for Work and Pensions,

As a single person living in private accommodation who has been working for 18 months without taking a statutory holiday break and getting Universal Credit housing costs only and have conditions to search for more and better paid work.

Your page www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-r... on my holiday entitlement rights confirms I will get my wages whilst I am on holiday, what will happen to my housing costs payments if I refuse to do all of my work search activities set out in my claimant commitment as I need to take a holiday or do you only pay housing costs for full time workers doing a 35 hour working week?

Will my claim be closed when I go on holiday and ignore my claimant commitment obligations?

Yours faithfully,

Read More Here;
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/universal_credit_no_holidays_for#outgoing-724782
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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing 13 Jan 2018 12:36 #5675

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Quote from the above link:

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This seems to say exactly that. If you are not working (while on holiday) then your 35 hour job searching obligation kicks in. Once you get back and start your part time hours again, the job search clock goes back to what it was. Although I`m not sure what this has to do with housing costs? I haven`t read the full reply yet....
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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing 13 Jan 2018 12:43 #5676

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Just read the DWP response and read this:

and the only time that Housing Costs
are paid in isolation is for Prisoners only who are detained for less than six months and
intend to return home.

So are they saying that Universal Credit housing costs are only paid in `isolation` (whatever that means?) to prisoners who are expected to return home within six months? So anyone else leaving the country or taking a holiday on UC for longer than four weeks can expect their housing element to cease? I`m not sure I`m understanding the proper protocol here but I`s not easy trying to decipher the words they use to get across what should be plain English...
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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing 13 Jan 2018 15:02 #5679

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I Can Confirm the "Prisoner" element, In the "Old Style" JSA & Housing Benefits, Under 6 Months they will "Hold" your Home,
BUT You still have to Pay your Rent, I could Not pay my Rent, Lost my Home Again.
Back Then Councils were under a "Legal Obligations to House ex-Prisoners, No More, You're on the streets.
This Normally Breaks your Probation Conditions, And your Back Inside again.
What a wonderful Country the Torys have created ......... NOT. :angry:
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I just wish DWP would make each element of Universal Credit clearer to read and understand instead of claimants having to use the freedom of information or run around in circles never truly understanding the answers they give. As I understand it, you can take a holiday on Universal Credit of `up to` four weeks but even if you do, they still expect us to carry out the 35 hour a week job search when we are supposed to be taking a break? Something morally wrong here because people who work can take paid holidays and leave or even get paid SSP (statutory sick pay) while ill. But it seems if you claim UC, your denied any kind of leave unless you hand in fit notes or are exempt from job searching because ESA is claimed.

So what they are saying is, yes take a holiday, but it won`t be a holiday in terms of being shackled by job searching while doing so. So what`s the point then? :angry:
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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing 13 Jan 2018 17:39 #5682

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Just found out that I`m in a Full UC area since last year having put my postal code into a search engine:

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Great.....just have to make sure I don`t have a change of circumstance until 2019 when no doubt I will be migrated anyway. :S
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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing 13 Jan 2018 22:44 #5686

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JSA seems all of a sudden the gold card of the benefit world considering you get
2x14 days of self certified sickness per year on JSA, with UC it is only one period of 7 days.

and 2x7 or 14 days paid holiday per year without loss of benefit

And hardship payments do not have to repaid on JSA where under UC it is a loan.
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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing 14 Feb 2018 10:13 #6185

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dboy as i understand it, think its zero holidays entitlement on UC and 2x7 days = 14 days of sickness,1 self cert and then a drs cert there onwards, which the half wits at joke shop etc obviously dont realize could run into months. :)

I feel as they are treating people like prisoners, then they will rebel and bugger off on holiday for a 7-10 day period return and carry on as per normal with joke search etc/signing on. :)
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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing 14 Feb 2018 14:55 #6188

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jobber wrote:
dboy as i understand it, think its zero holidays entitlement on UC and 2x7 days = 14 days of sickness,1 self cert and then a drs cert there onwards, which the half wits at joke shop etc obviously dont realize could run into months. :)

I feel as they are treating people like prisoners, then they will rebel and bugger off on holiday for a 7-10 day period return and carry on as per normal with joke search etc/signing on. :)
Yep zero holidays on UC, if UC was supposed to mirror the world of work with this 35 hour job search and monthly payments (in their world) then should it not also follow with holiday entitlement.
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jobber wrote:
dboy as i understand it, think its zero holidays entitlement on UC and 2x7 days = 14 days of sickness,1 self cert and then a drs cert there onwards, which the half wits at joke shop etc obviously dont realize could run into months. :)

I feel as they are treating people like prisoners, then they will rebel and bugger off on holiday for a 7-10 day period return and carry on as per normal with joke search etc/signing on. :)
Thanks for clarifying, you can actually get 14 days but you need a docs cert for the second 7 days.
Saying a flu can last 14 days and common when all people need is bed rest not be a burden on the NHS.
They have lost the plot.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/self_certification_of_sickness_w
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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing 14 Feb 2018 15:11 #6190

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Totally with you dboy, there is no helping the intentionally ill down at joke central,thats at the other side of the desk of course :)

They've created a system thats broken and designed to effectively give people a nervous breakdown, crack under pressure sign off and they hope that s the last their going to see of them.

This will eventually come back and bite the SSP club hard when people fight them all the way to tribunals etc. :evil: and reclaim what is rightfully theirs and just carry on jumping through the same old hoops in the system.

They thought that by implementing the 14 days sick thing on UC it would be an end to self certs etc when it will now become worse tan ever for dwp as more people will be quin up at drs for sick certs for 3 months + and see how the fcrs like that at jc. :)


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Universal Credit: No holidays for part time workers, only full timers get housing 14 Feb 2018 15:34 #6191

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If they looked at individual cases while on UC and a persons ability to continue to job search for 35 hours a week suddenly became difficult due to various things from requiring time off due to stress or to reduce the conditions on their Clamant Commitment to reflect those problems, they would be far better doing so and allow people to reduce their conditionality without needing to claim ESA if they have a problem that isn`t likely to improve through medical intervention, but instead tell people that they can`t keep taking weeks off and to claim ESA instead and that of course leads to assessments, no money, appeals and repeat & rinse scenarios. I feel it would be better to make a decision about someone if and when they present with health conditions once on Universal Credit (providing evidence) and be allowed to reduce their CC to reflect what they might be able to do, but of course, if the persons health was persistently bad and fluctuating, then approaching work and what types of work a person could do then become more problematic. And when we also consider that `new style` ESA/LCW only pays the same rate now as JSA, it could mean that anyone claiming UC with reduced conditionality could participate in work related activity just as they would on ESA, but wouldn`t have to worry about applying for ESA or the assessment process that entails. Cutting out the `middle man` so to speak like Maximus who carry out the ESA assessments at huge cost to the tax payer.

Even managing to work a few hours a week, as Ian Duncan Smith once said if that all a person can manage, should ALL be looked at. Do away with these punitive assessments, take the word of professional GP`s and consultants and tailor that persons needs to their conditionality. Even if it means zero work search/switching it off altogether and paying them their monthly rate of UC, while either still wanting to find some work if they can do that, or just leaving people to do some volunteering/mentoring, joining a group or managing their health.

I think the government need to get round the table (ALL parties) on this and look at ways of getting back some reason and compassion into the system they have created and making it work for everyone. What they need to do is get RID of private outsourcing to companies and instead, gather information from a persons medical GP/Consultant/ Mental Health team etc and base those findings on that persons limitations in a reasonable way without the need for constant assessments or worry.

But that`s all blue sky thinking, I know and asking a government who think lying about people`s disabilities is okay.
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