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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 16 Mar 2018 21:20 #6546

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Noone panic yet!! like i did :cheer: this is far from definite and i feel will be met with hell from all activist types. :)

Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way.

It just gets better, the SSP club have again been hard at "work," festering away, or i should say dreaming up a brand new hell coming to a neighbourhood near us all very soon! FOI requests have gone in about this new hell and so far as per usual dwp been totally evasive with the correct answer to the questions of who exactly is required to attend this crap and on what benefit, what counties etc does it cover ?????????????????????? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Read about the new MANDATORY schemes, another ton of taxpayers money being pissed up the wall to appease tory voters;look how we are now whipping the poorest again in society, this time, mandatory training courses for all if claiming HB CT Support etc benefit.

I bet they cant wait to get this all up and running,no wonder why they wanted all sheep /benefits under 1 banner far easier traceability and easier to farm out to the cowboy bums on seats ltd provider companies. :evil:

respectfulbenefits.forumotion.com/t1522-compulsory-employment-schemes-for-jobseekers-claiming-council-tax-support#4950


www.leeds.gov.uk/docs/Council%20Tax%20Support%20for%20JS_updated%20Dec2016.pdf





Another load of crap on "this is how we write a bloody cv course" as their blinded view is, if your current cv was good enough you'd have a job by now.Deluded bastards.
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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 17 Mar 2018 07:59 #6548

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Found this Video on it;



Good to see Ipswitch Unemployment Action is on the case.
intensiveactivity.wordpress.com/2018/02/23/compulsory-employment-schemes-for-jobseekers-claiming-council-tax-support/
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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 17 Mar 2018 09:21 #6550

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Great.....another work programme `style` ball & chain entrapment plan. "Remember to bring your CV, your email address and your log in details for UJM". So what they are doing here is mandating people to use their universal job match accounts when attending and to `make an action plan` and carry out that plan. Sounds a bit like a 21st century job club/work search?

If this is going to be introduced here in Scotland and I`m sure it will be if it comes under the banner of Universal Credit, they will be flogging a dead horse with me as long as I have the chronic pain issues I have. This is all part of the Tory plan to keep beating us down by cracking their whip and trying to look good to their wealthy voters.

Lets see how far they get....
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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 17 Mar 2018 09:59 #6552

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Posted on another forum by one of their `admin` team:
its a dwp initiative test between leeds council and the dwp

Seems to be in the Leeds area only or they are running this as one of their `trials` to see how beneficial it is before they roll it out UK wide? Such asthey do with other schemes to test on their guinea pigs.
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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 18 Mar 2018 11:50 #6561

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I feel this is going to be right up the SSP club's street Comply. :evil:

Yet another whipping tool, i still dont see how they will be able to force people into using UJM though, especially when it comes to login details cant remember all the legal stuff, but think data protection act is a thorny issue with all this as much as they'd like it not to be.

"Condition 1 of Principle 1 of the Data Protection Act 1998 stresses that the personal data of British citizens cannot be stored or processed without their consent."
They will never get mine to be looking over my shoulder as i log in or storing the bloody cookies.As joke centres go mine has to be the worst with regularly non working donkey speed pc's.

"Please explain in legal terms how the dwp can contravene the Data Protection Act by mandating work and health programme participants to use in house provider job search engines against their will "

Answer:https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/445213/response/1082594/attach/html/2/4792%20Reply.pdf.html

Their reply makes me cringe!! and just means even more control for these scumbags, i feel sure someone's going to kick off about this soon and use anything to make the providers lives a total hell when they are bullying people into irrelevant schemes just to obtain bums on seats payments :evil: .


I like the sound of this and could cause some difficulties for them when push comes to shove. :)
" ICO states on the 15/05/15 in reference to UJM that the reason why the DWP needs user permission (consent) to access their UJM account is because it could be used to have an adverse effect on their benefit claim,through benefit sanction and or loss of entitlement.Surely this ruling must now apply to the use of In House Provider Job Search Engines due to the Work and Health Programme Providers being able to bring a sanction doubt against participants of the scheme.Further more Principle 1 of the DPA requires the DWP, its contractors and subcontractors to process personnel data fairly and lawfully and not use the data in ways that have unjustified adverse effects on the individuals concerned."

If they try this crap with me, will be giving my MP a serious list as long as my arm as to what a sick joke the whole UC system is along with the bullshit being given out to people from job centres... misleading advice comes to mind :) .

They now have adverts running on radio stations dressing this pile of shite up as something splendid for all! " tailored to your needs with specialist work coach :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

Rant over for today :)

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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 18 Mar 2018 13:49 #6566

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jobber wrote:
They will never get mine to be looking over my shoulder as i log in or storing the bloody cookies

That`s what worries me about using `other` computers jobber. Their cookie tracking. I could log into my UJM account on a jobcentre computer and log out again thinking that was that. They could then use the cookies to find out my password enabling them to gain unauthorised access? Or am I wrong? I know passwords are supposed to be either encrypted or kept privy to only the user/owner, but because we would be using THEIR machines, what would be allowing exactly? Privacy is so important these days but being online exposes it in many ways.
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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 18 Mar 2018 14:12 #6568

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They will never get mine to be looking over my shoulder as i log in or storing the bloody cookies

That`s what worries me about using `other` computers jobber. Their cookie tracking. I could log into my UJM account on a jobcentre computer and log out again thinking that was that. They could then use the cookies to find out my password enabling them to gain unauthorised access? Or am I wrong? I know passwords are supposed to be either encrypted or kept privy to only the user/owner, but because we would be using THEIR machines, what would be allowing exactly? Privacy is so important these days but being online exposes it in many ways.

As far as im aware cookies cannot trace/get your password, But Job Centre Computers are I suspect linked to a master control/Monitor and are very likely logged;
I try to avoid All Public Computers and would not connect to "Free" Public wi-fi under any circumstances,
At Home connect to the Web via a secure VPN [ Virtual Private Network ] It is telling me that at the Moment im on Line in Austria B)
Often use Tor as well as VPN, perhaps being a little paranoid; But better safe then Dead. :)
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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 19 Mar 2018 14:20 #6573

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Paul wrote:
I try to avoid All Public Computers and would not connect to "Free" Public wi-fi under any circumstances,

That`s exactly why I like using my own computer/ISP Paul, although I still wasn`t given a DWP cookies `factsheet` by my job center when I was `asked` to open a UJM account when I was claiming JSA explaining what those cookies done. I still opened an account, but still worry that when I log into it at home that the actual UJM site is tracking my online profile? I`m no techie whizz so don`t truly understand what UJM cookies track and I don`t want to be disallowing cookies for certain actions as that could block my own access or mess with logging in details. I`d rather be able to log in, view the site and then log out again in the knowledge that if I run a CCleaner scan before and directly after, that should wipe any cookies or traces of anything my PC has stored?

Given what`s came to light about facebook over the past few days, I think we all need to be more aware of what we allow and don`t allow, but that said, just having an IP address can be tracked to us directly. :unsure:
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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 19 Mar 2018 15:11 #6574

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Slightly off topic. I just get 50% of council tax off since daughter lives with me. If I was forced to attend I would be mad when single occupiers automatically get 25% off regardless of income.
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Just for paying a few bills! That's out of proportion...
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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 20 Mar 2018 00:04 #6580

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I doubt this subject would otherwise come up but by way of coincidence, BBC Question Time is from Leeds this week and as it is such a stinker in the middle of all the chaos of UC rolling out, wage levels, creaking NHS, foodbanks and homelessness, it might just get mentioned by somebody under threat or fear in that City.

I was hoping it was a council initiative because it would be risky new ground with a greater chance of rebounding on them through localised demonstration. Whereas if it is a dWP iniatiative I find this extremely worrying to be occurring during the flack they are already getting over UC. They wouldn't have to defend themselves on somebody else's territory either. It would be an extremely arrogant move by the government at such a time as so many are struggling with poverty.

My local council does have an employment service so Leeds may have some advisors already in place that only required a slight addition to their training. Talk about getting whacked from both sides, new hell is exactly what it sounds like to me. I love how they call it 'support' which you don't have a choice in accepting or not (unless you've a few grand stashed under the mattress). Constant repetition about if you don't comply you will be paying more and if you can't pay we'll take it away blah blah blah zieg bloody heil. Yet another example of how UK being a so called free and fair democratic state is utter BS - its becoming more like a floating prison by the day.
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Claiming Council Tax Support through UC,JSA ETC .New Hell for us all on the way. 24 Mar 2018 09:34 #6629

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Hi Verc,

Yes i totally agree its all bullshit for certain,they have to be seen to be cracking the stick on the peasants.

These courses they keep inventing year in year out are a complete waste of money and thats millions.

If they took the time to look at people's past skills, they could look into given them appropriate training but that's far too logical for this government or any we've had to bother implementing.

Far easier to demonize the unemployed, put further obstacles and hoops in their way and they are all ecstatic in westminster. :evil:

For if they had to create something that worked ,was actually constructive they'd be out of westminster as they haven't got a clue as how to fo that.
That would require some skill intelligence and an understanding of the outside world;this has always been a major hurdle for society as 99% have none.
They just go around the world on the gravy plane.Nice "work" if you can get it.

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