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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 04 May 2018 11:58 #7289

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to think most part-time workers don't know what's about to hit them?! (Universal Credit)



Universal Credit! I'd say Universal Cock Up . :evil:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1673672-to-think-most-part-time-workers-dont-know-whats-about-to-hit-them-Universal-Credit
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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 04 May 2018 12:03 #7291

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I agree. And it's yet one more way that people are being forced into justifying their existence.
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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 04 May 2018 12:14 #7292

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Universal Credit has been designed (it seems) to manage the population who are (a) not in full time work and (b) unproductive. I have chronic pain problems and if I end up eventually (as we all will) on UC, I would not be able to meet the 35 hour job search OR work full time as a consequence of my pain, even though I`m taking interventions to get help with it from the NHS, who themselves seem to be geared towards the `work is good for you` mantra, I can see the future for me and many other people with physical and mental health problems (or both) to be a constant battle to survive.

Those who have two children now and have a third are also being targetted where they won`t be paid anything for more than two children. And the responses over on mumsnet tell it all. There are a LOT of people out there living their lives not realising the ghost in the machine is waiting on them losing their jobs, their homes or their ability to cope.
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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 04 May 2018 13:10 #7294

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This Post on the site given in the link;

Roseformeplease Fri 01-Feb-13 00:02:06
I am not sure what is wrong with expecting people to try to work to provide for themselves? Surely, if you can work, you should work as much as possible and earn as much as you need. You can't expect the state to subsidise your choices. Yes, some people can't work for reasons including disability and lack of jobs but, if you can, you should. And being paid to stay at home is now a luxury that we can't afford. Many people, myself included, went back to / sought work when our children were 6 months old as we wanted to support our own families.

I don't get why we now live in a world where people feel they can get angry that the state doesn't have the cash / no longer wants to pay for them to stay at home. This kind of support for parents is only available in a wealthy country and we are broke. But we are lucky compared to people living in real poverty in some other European countries who are even more broke than we are (Greece, Spain etc).


Who the hell is this stupid dumb bitch, Guess she is a stay at home mother, 2 Kids, £750,000 6 Bedroom Mansion, 2 Cars and
two Holidays a year in the Bahamas, with Partner earning God knows what in "The City"
Don't have a bloody clue about "The Real World" that 90% of the UK struggle to survive in.
Makes my Blood Boil.
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YNWA: You'll Never Walk Alone
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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 04 May 2018 16:09 #7298

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They obviously haven`t been on Universal Credit Paul. It really annoys me when people give their opinion on why we should all strive to work and earn as much as we can. If we do that, the government just take it back in higher tax or higher rent. If we stay within our means, we get by without having luxuries, but life isn`t about that. It`s about being HUMAN and enjoying what life we have before it`s too late. And that means living by any means, be it in or out of work.

The poster wrote: any people, myself included, went back to / sought work when our children were 6 months old as we wanted to support our own families.

Well all I can say is I wouldn`t leave a dog at that age with strangers when I could be spending valuable time with my children rather than boosting someone else`s profit margins at the expense of my life or my childrens. I never had any children (thankfully) as I wouldn`t dare knowing the life they could have in the world as we know it as being one of fear and uncertainty.
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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 07 May 2018 10:59 #7328

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"This kind of support for parents is only available in a wealthy country and we are broke"

Nooooooooo! only 90-99% are broke :cheer:

& yet we can still manage to scrape up 100s of millions each year for countries who really dont need it and the odd war here and there. :cheer:


The great tory money saving machine;prints for the few and not the many.
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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 07 May 2018 11:09 #7329

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" `work is good for you` mantra," Oh yes that TORY slogan they just love to pump into all and any willing to listen.

Work can be good for you, if your actually being paid enough inline with the cost of living, take 1 holiday a year, run a car and buy clothes etc etc.
You know! the kind of stuff people have been able to do the previous 40 years and need 3 jobs to able to do that.
This bunch of muppets are quite content to have all working for hand to mouth existence and then thanking them while having to visit food banks and sign on as well. :evil:
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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 07 May 2018 12:23 #7332

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What concerns me too jobber is, this taking ANY job when on Universal Credit and not being prepared for things like:

1. Am I entitled to holidays including BANK holidays?
2. Will I be paid SSP if ill and absent from work and if so, for how long?
3. Does the job involve in-house training or will I be expected to travel to a training provider miles away and will my expenses be covered by the employer?
4. Will I be expected to work overtime or cover absences by my co-workers?
5. Do I have a union or do I have to join one?

These are just a few off the top of my head. Looking at jobs and factoring in all this stuff can be a job in itself and no doubt we could apply for some jobs without thinking about the safety nets and being blinkered into accepting a job we then find out doesn`t allow most of the above.
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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 07 May 2018 14:53 #7333

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Exactly Comply all those concerns you ask and which many will want answering when applying for jobs.

These numbskulls in joke shop are reading from a auto piolt all and any blah blah sheet and it will back fire because the logical questions you mention will be asked of most employers.

Sorry to inform the torys, but most people want to be making a profit from the work and not just eating rice and using both sides of the loo roll :cheer:

We now have id say a good 60% of the country run on a warehouse economy with predominantly cheap labour.
If i was young again i would not look at that as a great future prospect.

Anyone who hasn't seen inside amazon ch4 docu now on youtube i suggest to watch it all thoroughly as thats just what you will be up against if your local joke shop gets their way. :evil:


1. Am I entitled to holidays including BANK holidays?
2. Will I be paid SSP if ill and absent from work and if so, for how long?
3. Does the job involve in-house training or will I be expected to travel to a training provider miles away and will my expenses be covered by the employer?
4. Will I be expected to work overtime or cover absences by my co-workers?
5. Do I have a union or do I have to join one?

And what they invented in this so called GREAT economy with SO MANY GREAT JOBS blah blah blah!

Jobbers recent experiences:

1.You wont be entitled to holidays until you've worked 6 months including weekends and BANK holidays? :cheer:
2. NO SSP,if absent from work in the first 3 months highly likely to be fired? :cheer:
3. Does the job involve in-house training,Oh yes working to the microsecond to ensure great performance and generate great profits for the business. :cheer:
I be expected to travel to a training provider miles away and will my expenses be covered by the employer?A percentage of travel expenses will be paid but as you've been out of work so long you will be paying these first.This shows us how keen you are to work :cheer:
4. Will I be expected to work overtime or cover absences by my co-workers?Always particularly on Sundays, you must like shift work. :cheer:
5. Do I have a union or do I have to join one?We dont do unions here :cheer:



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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 07 May 2018 16:05 #7335

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Thanks jobber for those witty responses! If we are to avoid this:

but most people want to be making a profit from the work and not just eating rice and using both sides of the loo roll

Then we MUST make sure that work DOES pay and we are not just striving to make ends meet, which millions out there are doing today because they are told to.
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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 08 May 2018 19:51 #7352

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And do not forget everyone! "We are getting people into work quicker and they are staying for longer :cheer:" until they can escape that is.
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Delusional TORYS at it again with their go nowhere policies. 09 May 2018 09:23 #7356

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jobber wrote: We are getting people into work quicker

And that`s the concern. Wash & rince/repeat jobs where we are given hardly any time to find these things out and before we know it, we have a job and start on Monday at silly O clock. Trapped.
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