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universal credit journal message 14 Dec 2018 09:31 #12068

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just received a message in my journal last night saying there will be a £70 shortfall in my rent which i will have to pay. message says £330 will go direct to the landlord and i will have to pay the rest.
i messaged my the adviser in my journal asking if this £70 shortfall is the bedroom tax, she replied .
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How do you know there is a shortfall when your statement for Universal Credit has not yet been issued. Also if you live in a property which has more than 1 room & you live alone you will have to pay Bedroom Tax.

why cant they just give me a straight answer.
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universal credit journal message 14 Dec 2018 09:37 #12070

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London, if you do have an extra bedroom, this extra payment that you need to pay could well be the spare room subsidy tax. Is your son still living with you? £70 divided by 4 is £17.50p a week. You need to contact your housing association and ask them about this and what is applied to your file with them. Do this today. Once you get more information from them, you will know more.
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universal credit journal message 14 Dec 2018 10:01 #12071

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Think If I remember Correctly, "London123" Son is no longer living at home (Please correct me if im wrong) In that case under the Bedroom Tax Rules;
One is liabal to pay the shortfall between Reduced HB payments and your Rent;
3 Choices; 1/ Pay up, 2/Rent room out, 3/Move
Option 2 is full of pitfalls, And Option 3 is National shortage of 1 Bedroom property to rent; Studio flat Might be an Option.
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universal credit journal message 14 Dec 2018 10:09 #12073

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yes my son moved out a couple of weeks ago, sorry the amount is £56 short fall. there is no decent 1 bedroom flats around my area, but my son said he will pay for my bedroom tax in case he wants to come back home, so i will be staying where i am, in my new build 2 bedroom flat.
just wandered why the work roach wrote, How do you know there is a shortfall when your statement for Universal Credit has not yet been issued.
when i have a message stating the short fall.and why not mention what the short fall is for,
thanks.

edit just received message back in my journal saying,
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With regards to rent you will have to take this matter with Service Centre.
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universal credit journal message 14 Dec 2018 11:40 #12082

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Your UC claim has just been made London and messages sent back and forth on the journal can sometimes become futile and it`s not always the same person who replies. If your now understanding what this shortfall is for (the spare bedroom you have) their calculation (but get this in writing from your housing association) is probably correct and the UC amount you receive has been amended to reflect the spare room you now need to pay for. Will your son always have the means to pay you this weekly/monthly subsidy? Meaning, if UC are taking this amount from you each month, will your son honour and pay you the amount reduced to cover your loss in UC payment?

As long as your willing to stay where you are and your son honours the shortfall, you won`t be any worse off. If son`s payments stop, or he only pays when he can afford to depending on his own circumstances, you won`t have his money coming in all the time but hopefully he will pay you the steady monthly rate if he`s looking to keep his room option open. If not, you can always move at some point in the future if your housing people either build more one bedroom houses or flats or one was to become available, but you would need to be on their list of tenants looking for a move to one or they won`t know your interested.
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universal credit journal message 14 Dec 2018 12:41 #12084

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Your UC claim has just been made London and messages sent back and forth on the journal can sometimes become futile and it`s not always the same person who replies. If your now understanding what this shortfall is for (the spare bedroom you have) their calculation (but get this in writing from your housing association) is probably correct and the UC amount you receive has been amended to reflect the spare room you now need to pay for. Will your son always have the means to pay you this weekly/monthly subsidy? Meaning, if UC are taking this amount from you each month, will your son honour and pay you the amount reduced to cover your loss in UC payment?

As long as your willing to stay where you are and your son honours the shortfall, you won`t be any worse off. If son`s payments stop, or he only pays when he can afford to depending on his own circumstances, you won`t have his money coming in all the time but hopefully he will pay you the steady monthly rate if he`s looking to keep his room option open. If not, you can always move at some point in the future if your housing people either build more one bedroom houses or flats or one was to become available, but you would need to be on their list of tenants looking for a move to one or they won`t know your interested.

yes my son started a new job a few weeks ago,thats why he moved out,
as he said he would not pay the £100 a week towards the rent and council tax,that the housing association would want.plus money for food ,and his bus fairs he would have hardly nothing left from his wage.
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universal credit journal message 14 Dec 2018 14:34 #12087

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If your son wouldn't pay £100 a week for living there, he's hardly gonna pay £20 a week when his not.
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universal credit journal message 14 Dec 2018 14:40 #12088

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Catwoman wrote:
If your son wouldn't pay £100 a week for living there, he's hardly gonna pay £20 a week when his not.

works out at £56 a month for bedroom tax, if he was living here it would cost him £400+ a month. so he will pay i know my son.
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universal credit journal message 14 Dec 2018 18:18 #12092

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Just curious London, but is he staying somewhere else that`s allowing him to share at a reduced rent or what? Would make sense to do that if his earnings mean he keeps more of is pay and can still pay you the monthly bedroom tax allowance incase he needs or wants to return at some point. It`s a ridiculous situation when people are now faced with this dilemma of having a spare room and are forced to pay for it, when before, it didn`t matter. This social cleansing is pushing single people out of two bedroom properties if they can`t pay this money. Sometimes when they have lived in their house for 30 years or more. Welcome to Tory Britain.
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universal credit journal message 14 Dec 2018 21:22 #12095

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"Hi
With regards to rent you will have to take this matter with Service Centre."

Confirmation then these scumbags are using the new UC accounts journal etc as a monitoring tool.And nothing whatsoever to do with helping claimants instantly through digital interactions in this case "email." Their all bloody useless :whistle: :evil: .

Contact the service centre my arse.That centre is always 'out of service' when i call. :whistle:

I guess as long as London123's son is willing to commit to paying the shortfall on the other bedroom etc.Then all will be ok.But maybe DWP will want some kind of proof with how that's actually going to be financially met :evil: .


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universal credit journal message 15 Dec 2018 09:49 #12099

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Just curious London, but is he staying somewhere else that`s allowing him to share at a reduced rent or what? Would make sense to do that if his earnings mean he keeps more of is pay and can still pay you the monthly bedroom tax allowance incase he needs or wants to return at some point. It`s a ridiculous situation when people are now faced with this dilemma of having a spare room and are forced to pay for it, when before, it didn`t matter. This social cleansing is pushing single people out of two bedroom properties if they can`t pay this money. Sometimes when they have lived in their house for 30 years or more. Welcome to Tory Britain.
hes gone to live at his girl friends parents house. and pays them £50 a week all in.
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universal credit journal message 15 Dec 2018 10:25 #12102

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I would have thought asking a question about this through the online journal would have had a reply saying something like:

"Hi Mr London123, I can confirm that the X amount reduced from your monthly UC payment is for the extra bedroom you have". Rather than passing the buck to another department? Why do we have an online journal if they are saying sorry, can`t answer that, you need to phone UC service centre? Surely THEY could do that on your behalf and then reply to your journal question?

Bloody useless.
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