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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 23 Dec 2018 13:18 #12335

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Hi All,

It's a time of year for some relaxation. But have been wondering again how are joke shop viewing our 35 hours a week UC joke search ? :whistle: :evil:


I cant see anyone doing this xmas day boxing day so do we all just fill in extra hours across the forthcoming week ?


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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 23 Dec 2018 13:24 #12337

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Oh :ohmy: No Joke Search will cont as stated in your CC, So The Next few Days will Run like This :whistle:
CHRISTMAS EVE: Job search 09.30-10.30 Sod all Jobs Finish Xmas shopping ;)
CHRISTMAS DAY: wake up, blood shot eyes, Can of Lager, quick look at facebook, 10.45-11.00 Job search, Bollox to this shit, go up the pub
BOXING DAY: Urr, hummm, back to bed
THURS & FRIDAY: Bit of Job Search "Catch Up" Invent shit to put into your Diary. :) :evil:
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Struggling to find anything to apply for this end. I assume others have the same ?. No doubt im not trying hard enough but there really is so little about at the min unless you want caring. Im a closer match for needing caring for than actually doing that kind of job.
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TW35, this can happen especially if you are expected to look for jobs that are `part time` and in a small area where your skills are based. I had this happen to me when I claimed JSA a few years back. I applied for a part time charity job in an office and they didn`t even reply. :angry: How the hell are we supposed to gather evidence if employers can`t be bothered to click a reply to an email?

What I would do here is, next time you meet your coach, ask them to give you ideas about shortages of jobs at certain times when you cannot find anything suitable to apply for and if you applied for jobs that were not specifically agreed to on your CC, fear risking being told you were applying for jobs you knew you wouldn`t get just to add them to your records and you don`t want to be doing that. Makes it sound as if you are sticking to the rules you agreed to. B)

They might say that you should expand your searches or look on more jobsites, agencies etc....so call their bluff and do that and note sites and other things you don`t normally include, but don`t say that of course! Just make it look as if you have exhausted your searches, but whatever you do, STICK to what`s on your CC and don`t sway from it. If you haven`t agreed to something on your CC, they can`t hold you to it.
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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 23 Dec 2018 19:07 #12344

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Back in my Job Search Days, The only work around this time of year was short term, in places like Amazon or Supermarket check outs for the Seasonal rush,
Always wanted were Postmen & of cause Father Christmases, Nothing that could be classed as a career Move.
Spring Time is the Best time, Lots of Work in Gardening, Landscaping, Builders Labourer, Hotel & Hospitality Trades.
Main problem now is Illegal Immigrants snap all these Jobs up for £3 per Hour.....Or Less. :ohmy:
What I did in the past was Work Abroad, Still A Good option in my View, More so if your Singal.
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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 24 Dec 2018 17:00 #12354

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TW35 wrote:
Struggling to find anything to apply for this end. I assume others have the same ?. No doubt im not trying hard enough but there really is so little about at the min unless you want caring. Im a closer match for needing caring for than actually doing that kind of job.

Beware this company, they fine carers £50 if they don't make a shift. One guy wrecked his spine in a car crash while traveling to work. Still got fined:

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/23/british-care-company-fines-workers-50-for-calling-in-sick

I don't know whether this private sector sanctioning regime would amount to good reason for not accepting a job offer from the company.

Victim's story:

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/dec/23/newcross-healthcare-worker-i-left-my-job-due-to-the-stress-of-the-policy
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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 24 Dec 2018 17:31 #12355

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Quote from the Guardian article: He had to pay for his own training in the techniques used to move and handle immobile patients, he said.

This doesn`t surprise me because my friend works as a community mental health worker and deals with difficult people on a daily basis. But she was telling me just the other day that her mother was told by HER employer (also a centre for drug/alcohol/homeless etc...) that she had to sit compulsory SVQ`s at HER cost or will be sacked on the spot. So people who have worked in these types of care/community work are now being held to ransom and stretched to their limits in stress.

I also note that when you see care jobs advertised on jobsites, nearly all of them will say` car owners only` or `car ownership applicants only` because they need people to travel to all areas. They might entice you in by saying we offer a good rate of pay, holidays X times a year and provide training and a uniform etc..

Caring for disabled or elderly people should be a well managed, well paid and compassionate area for employment and job satisfaction, but sadly, it`s not and it`s profits before people as usual.
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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 26 Dec 2018 22:06 #12393

OK, I had my first UC interview a few days ago, to "set everything up", but don't have my Claimant Commitment interview until the 2nd week in January. So, as I've yet to make any kind of commitment will they expect to see any evidence of jobs applied for etc on my UC journal? As it stands, my journal shows none of this kind of activity and most probably won't until after this interview, in fact I haven't logged into it since the 23rd December...

I'll politely explain that being homeless and searching for a permanent residence there is no way I can be expected to do the 7 hours a day jobsearch they seem to expect, especially if I'm travelling around the UK looking for somewhere to live... Also, the small town where I am temporarily staying their are more or less no job vacancies (apart from dodgy work from home "opportunities") within 5 to 10 miles and local transport is really dire for getting to the big towns/cities.
Flotsam: People who are considered to be worthless or to have been rejected by society.
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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 26 Dec 2018 22:40 #12395

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aren't you supposed to be exempt from job search requirements when you are homeless or is that different under UC ?
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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 27 Dec 2018 09:17 #12398

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Tarquin, this might help:
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/720614/admj3.pdf

Scroll down to Homeless Claimants j3095 and also see: j3043 j3072 and j3226

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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 27 Dec 2018 13:47 #12406

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My job search goes along the lines of checked Find a job, Total jobs Reed and indeed. Nothing suitable. Plus checked local paper online. Nothing suitable.
May send out a few spec letters to show willing . Do hope they dont get lost in the post what with Royal mail being so busy . :woohoo:
Very little out there for me at the best of times let alone at the min. :sick:
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TW35 are you JSA or UC? Sorry my memory fog has got the better of me so apologies if you have already said.

It`s what I would do too. Just keep looking, applying for jobs you think you can do but if nothing turns up, that`s not our fault. End of the day guys, this all runs in a bit of a cycle. We apply for jobs, we get some replies, sometimes not. We keep going through the motions and then after a year we are told we must do the cat sat on the matt course for a week and then once that`s completed, it`s back to the job search again.....then another six months goes by and then another suggestion of training or similar gets waved at us. This is what is called repeat & rinse. But keep smiling.
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JSA COD but the change to UC is coming. I suffer with brain fog well known with Fibro. Hate the job centre as i will be seeing someone knew to me and they will be asking about the job search. My mind will go blank even if i try to remember before hand. Of late really been struggling to find anything of any interest/realistic but feel ill be pressured if hardly anything applied for.
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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 27 Dec 2018 18:02 #12417

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If you have health problems recorded TW35 and your work coach starts rabbiting on about anything, just remind them of the HELP they are supposed to offer you and what you are applying for is within your remit and agreement and if no suitable jobs are available, then you have done everything you can do. These planks know people with health concerns are going to struggle the most yet they can`t see that because they are blinkered to it.
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TW35 as Comply points out.Ensure your health conditions are correctly recorded and if necessary print out the equality act for planks at joke shop and all their obligations they are bound by.Will be coming back another day with a little list for people t slap on their desks.

They have a REAL NASTY HABIT of over looking peoples health etc and building these bullshit CC 'agreements' as generic loo paper. :whistle: :evil:


A few things to get them to sit up and take notice of.If anyone feels they are having their legal rights by-passed begin official complaints procedure and carry it all the way through. :)

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/214475/rrep700.pdf

Disability discrimination :)
www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1859

Reasonable adjustments for workers with disabilities or health conditionsThey should also add non workers :whistle:
www.gov.uk/reasonable-adjustments-for-disabled-workers

Who mustn't discriminate against you? :whistle: :)
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services/discrimination-in-the-provision-of-goods-and-services1/discrimination-in-services-provided-by-a-public-authority/common-situations/disability-discrimination-and-welfare-benefits/

For me and others:If they know about your disability and they don’t comply with their duty, it’s unlawful discrimination :) :whistle: .
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Beware this company, they fine carers £50 if they don't make a shift. One guy wrecked his spine in a car crash while traveling to work. Still got fined:

I would sue the arses off for this.No doubt :evil: .Would cost them far more than a £50 lost 'shift fee'.This is one prime piss take i see could become a breeding ground :evil:
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Christmas Joke Search Expected ? 08 Jan 2019 11:07 #12664

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jobber wrote:
Hi All,

It's a time of year for some relaxation. But have been wondering again how are joke shop viewing our 35 hours a week UC joke search ? :whistle: :evil:


I cant see anyone doing this xmas day boxing day so do we all just fill in extra hours across the forthcoming week ?


@Jobber, was there ever a definitive answer to your original question, of Job search over holidays? :huh:

You would think something like this. For example: 35 x hrs a week on the U-C, divided by 5days= 7x hrs a day. So you should get this time ‘in-lieu’, as in ‘pay in lieu’? By this I mean 7x hrs (per national holiday) knocked off your 35x hrs for the week??? That would seem sensible but that is a rare flower when dealing with the JCP. And Easter is coming up in April, with the same issues of the original question. :unsure:

I would feel an FOI request coming on but they have to be worded right, otherwise the DWP seem to play dumb, from what I have read in the past. :angry:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay_in_lieu_of_notice

welfarecentral.org/index.php/forum-home/universal-credit/2435-uc-compared-with-jsa-which-is-worse
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Some bad news, I'm afraid :(

"Holidays

For labour market conditionality purposes, there is no concept of a holiday either at home or abroad. Being on holiday is not a good reason for not carrying out any work search, preparation or availability requirements. Claimants who are on holiday should continue to meet their work-related requirements, as set out in their Commitment.

For claimants in the Intensive worksearch regime, they must be prepared to end their absence abroad, even if abroad, to attend a job interview or take up a job offer. They will still need to produce evidence of their work search and complete other activities
documented in their Commitment.

If the claimant is unable to attend a mandatory appointment such as a Work Search Review, the work coach at their discretion can rearrange this if they decide the claimant is still available for work and able to undertake their work-related requirements."

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/481413/response/1160526/attach/html/3/Going%20abroad.pdf.html
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Thanks @Searcher. ;)

"Being on holiday is not a good reason for not carrying out any work search, preparation or availability". So you could argue that this isn't a holiday then! According to the Oxford-dictionary: "A day of festivity or recreation when no work is done.". :unsure: Also it seem the www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/481413/response/1160526/attach/html/3/Going%20abroad.pdf.html, is aimed at individuals and not national UK holidays (Going%20abroad.pdf.)?

Also what about people with no internet access and have to use the public library's/JCP computer's when they are closed, for the holiday! Would just being "Prepared or Availability" satisfy the JCP's seeking work concept? :blink:


en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/holiday
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Dude wrote: Also what about people with no internet access and have to use the public library's/JCP computer's when they are closed, for the holiday!

Holidays (or weekends/Sundays apart) I would always get this agreed in your Clamant Commitment to say something like:

"I Will not be able to jobsearch using a computer on X days (bank/public holidays or on a Sunday) due to facilities providing access to one will be closed". Meaning, bank holidays, public holidays and Sundays? This would be for anyone who doesn`t own or have easy access to other computers like family/friends or has a Smartphone. If you don`t, then get these terms agreed. Otherwise some upstart of a work coach might find doubt. Don`t give it to them.
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