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My UC CC interview.. 09 Jan 2019 11:26 #12704

So, here's what happened at my UC Claimant Commitment interview yesterday... I was all set up to record it but my fecking recording device failed on me and on playback when I got home I just had 1 hour of static noise! Oh well, guess it's time I invested in another one..

There was an initial bit of head-butting, mainly with me telling them their expectation of 35 hours of job search activity is totally unrealistic considering my situation. After much debate it was agreed it would be dropped to 20 hours. I told her there will be some days where it will be impossible to search for jobs as I'm still visiting London whenever possible which takes several hours of travel.

One more thing I wasn't keen on is her expecting me to join one of 2 "support" groups they have for helping the long-term unemployed back into work. So she booked me to attend an information session, both lasting around 1 hour, with both of these groups next week. Oh, and one of them is Seetec! We all know what a bunch of dodgy bastards they are...! The other one is Shaw Trust, who I've never heard of before. Sure I'll attend, firstly I made sure my fares would be paid for each one, and it will be interesting to hear what utter bollocks these charlatans have to say. I might just pipe up if they start talking about how work experience can be of benefit... Regarding these 2 support groups, she did say it wasn't mandatory (oh god how I hate that fecking word) to do anything they suggest, but odds are if I refuse anything they'll report me to the jobcentre ASAP. She also said she'd prefer me to sign up with one of them, hinting that refusing to do so would be seen as a negative from her perspective.

Regarding the journal, it was agreed that I wouldn't be required to make an entry every day. It was also agreed I wouldn't be required to put into detail how many hours I spend doing each "task". She said she'd need some kind of evidence of jobs applied for, so I told her how previously when on JSA I'd either print out or email screenshots of jobs applied for in my email account. She agreed to this and gave me her email address should she need this evidence. As the screenshot below states, I'm to sign in "often", but it was never explained exactly how long she thinks often is...

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Regarding the job search activities we chatted about, it's basically the same as what I had when on JSA: Responding to email alerts for job offers, visiting the jobsites I'm registered with "often", looking in local newspapers, asking friends/family/ex-workmates about vacancies. She did ask if I used Find a Job, which came as no surprise. I told her it was useless and I use much better jobsites, running off a list of the ones I prefer to use, and it wasn't mentioned again.

So, do you think I got off lightly? Is there any trap they're setting up for me to fall into?
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My UC CC interview.. 09 Jan 2019 11:37 #12706

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Hi Tarquin,

Good to hear you got through that circus reletivitly unscaithed.

At least the 1 hour session work shops crap dosent sound too bad.Even i could manage that but would also need a bucket on hand as would be sick listening to all their utter :) crap.

Roach needs to seriously listen up with this issue Tarquin:

"There was an initial bit of head-butting, mainly with me telling them their expectation of 35 hours of job search activity is totally unrealistic considering my situation. After much debate it was agreed it would be dropped to 20 hours."

See here: :) www.homeless.org.uk/sites/default/files/site-attachments/Easement%20Regulations%20Guidance.pdf

HOMELESS LINK GUIDANCE ON THE JOBSEEKERS ALLOWANCE (HOMELESS CLAIMANTS)
AMENDMENT REGULATIONS 2014

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HOW EASEMENT RULES ARE AMENDED BY THE NEW REGULATIONS
For “recently homeless people” easements can now be applied:
• For longer than a week at a time.
With no limit on the number of occasions :whistle:


If a Work Coach decides a claimant’s homelessness constitutes a “domestic
emergency” then he must apply an easement, so long as the claimant takes
reasonable steps to find accommodation.

Switching off job search requirements
If you are homeless or at risk of homelessness your work coach can decide if the Claimant Commitment should be tailored or if your requirements should be temporarily switched off for a period of time.

This is known as an easement. You will need to be actively looking for stable accommodation and will have these steps noted on your Claimant Commitment.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-and-homeless-people/applying-for-universal-credit-information-for-homeless-people#switching-off-job-search-requirements


Also Tarquin point out to roach that you feel if they are actually taking into consideration your dia circumstances then the mentality of you logging into any bloody website is remote at the very least.Total morons.

In your situation Tarquin i would argue and have them lunatics accept that die to housing etc all your benefit will be taken on trying to live/survive never monday about looking at pretend jobs on websites.Ask them for a free loan to buy 24/7 mobile phone data with and they may have a point, if not their nuts.

Tarquin i can appreciate you have a lot on your plate at the moment.And if you can be bothered trudge off to your MPs office meet with them and tell em of your exact situation.Only a total moron would expect someone who is homeless could carry out the tasks set in these poxy claimant commitment 'agreements.' :whistle: :evil:


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My UC CC interview.. 09 Jan 2019 11:51 #12707

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Well done to you @Tarquin_Flotsam. Most people would rolled over to these roaches.

Regarding the journal, it was agreed that I wouldn't be required to make an entry every day. It was also agreed I wouldn't be required to put into detail how many hours I spend doing each "task". She said she'd need some kind of evidence of jobs applied for, so I told her how previously when on JSA I'd either print out or email screenshots of jobs applied for in my email account. She agreed to this and gave me her email address should she need this evidence. As the screenshot below states, I'm to sign in "often", but it was never explained exactly how long she thinks often is...

One point what if due to IT problems you are unable to make an entry into the UC Account, what then. As there where somedays I couldn’t get into the old ‘Universal Job match’ account? And to “Often” definition this sounds like the “Reasonable” definition it is a grey area. So there are plenty of 'Tripwires' in the system, that aren't helping anyone.

Also @T-F, did the roach give you a time scale to “complete all activities in my to-do list”. As a thing that might take me a day to do, could take others a week to finish?
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My UC CC interview.. 09 Jan 2019 12:59 #12710

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You will need to be actively looking for stable accommodation and will have these steps noted on your Claimant Commitment.

I noticed this isn't in my CC, so will contact my roach about updating this, thanks for that jobber! At one point she did say to me that finding work is most important, then I told her that finding a home is more important! Because I have a "base" to operate from she seems to assume I'll be in the same area most of the time but I did point out that I'd be visiting London as frequently as possible even though it's 130 miles away. She asked how this was possible and I told her I have friends/family often visit London so I'll just hitch a ride. She also wanted to put me on a customer service level 1 course which lasts 2 weeks, until I told her I'd already done this in London.

Where I'm staying right now, public transport is quite scarce. There's about 3 buses an hour during peak hours, and it takes about 1 hour to get to the job centre. Also, the cost is almost £6 to get there and back! There is no train station, the nearest one is about 15 miles away!!! She still felt the need to put down 90 minutes of travelling max for any job despite the crap service I get from here.

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One point what if due to IT problems you are unable to make an entry into the UC Account, what then. As there where somedays I couldn’t get into the old ‘Universal Job match’ account? And to “Often” definition this sounds like the “Reasonable” definition it is a grey area. So there are plenty of 'Tripwires' in the system, that aren't helping anyone.

I did explain to her that at some places it'd be almost impossible to get on to the internet. She came out with the tired old crap of "well you can always use the local jobcentre or library to get online".

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Also @T-F, did the roach give you a time scale to “complete all activities in my to-do list”. As a thing that might take me a day to do, could take others a week to finish?

Nope, she never gave me any time scale, just that she expects me to be looking for work every day and will require some kind of evidence when she asks for it. I have another "job search" interview with her at the end of the month to see how everything is progressing...
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My UC CC interview.. 09 Jan 2019 13:34 #12711

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@Tarquin_Flotsam

“I did explain to her that at some places it'd be almost impossible to get on to the internet. She came out with the tired old crap of "well you can always use the local jobcentre or library to get online".”


But I bet she wouldn’t answer if the problem was with the DWP/UC :evil: website then. As I tried to log into my UJM account from 2x different sites (library & relatives pc). And both came to a dead-end, due to the fact the UJM site was down. What would happen then, as when I told the roach about this. They made out that the DWP’s system was ‘perfect’ and never went down. Yet there own pc’s in the JCP have, malfunctions all of the time. Yet she seems to gloss over this point. As technology is great when it work, it’s just when it fails that problems happen. Such as with a completely online system like the Universal Credit? :dry:

One point, if you need to visit the JCP to use the internet log into your account. If your internet access is down. Can you get the travel money reimbursed, while it is not a JCP appointment? However you are required to go on onto your account, as you say it cost you £6 on public transport? And does this “takes about 1 hour to get to the job centre”, and can you subtract this from your weekly job search hours, as you have no permanent office…..

Still nice to hear from you @Tarquin_Flotsam ;)


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My UC CC interview.. 09 Jan 2019 18:47 #12725

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How can they expect you to get a job when your worrying about finding a place to live.
Does the journal log the date and time you logged in?
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My UC CC interview.. 09 Jan 2019 19:06 #12726

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Does the journal log the date and time you logged in?
No idea about that, wouldn't be surprised if it does... It does log the date/time of every entry you make, even if it's asking your work roach a question.

I have noticed though that you're automatically logged out after a certain amount of time if no activity on your site, like looking at the to-do list or journal. So you can't just leave it open in your browser to stay logged in. One solution to that is to log in and out several times every day, so if it does log all the times you log in it'll be a fecking headache for them to look at!

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One point, if you need to visit the JCP to use the internet log into your account. If your internet access is down. Can you get the travel money reimbursed, while it is not a JCP appointment? However you are required to go on onto your account, as you say it cost you £6 on public transport? And does this “takes about 1 hour to get to the job centre”, and can you subtract this from your weekly job search hours, as you have no permanent office…..

Still nice to hear from you @Tarquin_Flotsam ;)

Cheers dude!

Not sure about getting travel money reimbursed if it isn't a JCP appointment. Odds are most probably not. As for the hour journey to the nearest jobcentre, don't forget the hour long journey back! So with the 2 information sessions next week each lasting 1 hour, plus the travel time, that'll add up to 6 hours of my 20 required... If I was asked to put down time taken for each task then I would indeed put that as an entry in my journal...

One thing she did seem a bit put out about was, telling her I don' t have a smartphone and have no intention of having a smartphone. My phone doesn't even have internet access! So if anyone has a CC interview coming up, tell them the same and you might get the same disappointed look from their roach that I had... :cheer:

Finally (for now), I did send a message to my roach about my CC regarding looking for stable accommodation. She said that isn't part of the CC as that's only for steps taken to find work, but she has made note of my situation and easement on my claim can be made if required. My last 6 weeks on JSA I had the easement take place and didn't have to worry about any silly jobsearching for that time.
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My UC CC interview.. 09 Jan 2019 21:37 #12729

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"but she has made note of my situation and easement on my claim can be made if required. "

Tell this numb skull roach Tarquin to take a guess as to if your situation does actually require a full easement. :whistle: :evil: Roach is a total plank!
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My UC CC interview.. 09 Jan 2019 23:29 #12730

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Thats my thinking jobber he shouldn't have any job search requirements till he gets a roof over his head :angry:
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My UC CC interview.. 10 Jan 2019 12:46 #12750

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I haven't had much time over the past few days to search for more regs on this easement part from what has been posted already, but I know they `switch off` job search requirements under circumstances like someone is going to claim ESA because they cannot work and are in the assessment phase for ESA (although I`m not too sure if this is the case for all claimants), someone who has a bereavement and must have these searches turned off for six months due to the death. These are just a few examples.

The UC system is ludicrous though that it puts looking for work ahead of securing a roof over our heads first. That`s the twisted logic of a government who care more about people being pawns than people being human beings with needs. Tarquin, stay strong and what goes around, comes around. Believe me, these thickheads will have their day. Soon, I hope.
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My UC CC interview.. 21 Jan 2019 12:29 #13126

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"Catwoman:Does the journal log the date and time you logged in?"

It appears they may know this info Catwoman if what i heard was correct. 2 roaches were chatting recently when i had my headphones on, but unfortunately for them the my mp3 player was off.

Could also have been just a wind up intentionally just for others who were in ear shot so to speak.I'd be surprised if they do know as they will be asking questions about how many times x logged into their UC account today at any roach interviews.
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