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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 07:33 #12784

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Anyone got any information or links to freedom of information requests on job seekers who "HAVE TO USE SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS" as a requirement of their joke search please?


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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 07:53 #12785

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Don't have any links but id think you could refuse such demands by saying you don't use social media platforms due to there data gathering policy's witch you are unwilling to agree to.
pretty sure they couldn't make you sign up to these platforms under the GDPR but I honestly don't think its worth fighting them on because you can just say you spent time checking and found nothing suitable on social media when you haven't use it to fill some time in your journal its not like they can prove you wrong :P
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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 08:21 #12786

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Cheers Finnster but what is this " data gathering policy's witch you are unwilling to agree to."? would this be ye another thing these planks have chosen to slip in somewhere! :whistle: :evil:

Nice little story here:
inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/universal-credit-smartphone-dwp-jobcentre-comment/
Now all of you out there without a smart phone :whistle: :evil: :cheer: :angry: .


The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) can’t check my records on their computers for data protection reasons but can absurdly look at my own devices directly if I log them in.Now this has my little brain ticking.Because if this is fact! then what the hell are they all doing insisting upon we show our joke search on UC journal account etc ?




“coach[ing] :whistle: others to use digital job search methods i.e. job search websites, email, uploading documents, social media” :whistle: ;"[/color
obr.uk/box/the-role-of-uc-work-coaches/
Salary for a roach looks good depending on where you live or what you live in.


just going to PM you finnster.

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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 08:53 #12787

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he said lug them in jobber not log them in he's talking about the fact he physically brought his tablet device in to the JC for evidence of job search this isn't something they could demand of you if you wanted to provide your evidence another way

as to the GDPR and consent


GDPRConsent

Processing personal data is generally prohibited, unless it is expressly allowed by law, or the data subject has consented to the processing. While being one of the more well-known legal bases for processing personal data, consent is only one of six bases mentioned in the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR). The others are: contract, legal obligations, vital interests of the data subject, public interest and legitimate interest as stated in Article 6(1) GDPR.

The basic requirements for the effectiveness of a valid legal consent are defined in Article 7 and specified further in recital 32 of the GDPR. Consent must be freely given, specific, informed and unambiguous. In order to obtain freely given consent, it must be given on a voluntary basis. The element “free” implies a real choice by the data subject. Any element of inappropriate pressure or influence which could affect the outcome of that choice renders the consent invalid. In doing so, the legal text takes a certain imbalance between the controller and the data subject into consideration. For example, in an employer-employee relationship: The employee may worry that his refusal to consent may have severe negative consequences on his employment relationship, thus consent can only be a lawful basis for processing in a few exceptional circumstances. In addition, a so-called “coupling prohibition” or “prohibition of coupling or tying” applies. Thus, the performance of a contract may not be made dependent upon the consent to process further personal data, which is not needed for the performance of that contract.

For consent to be informed and specific, the data subject must at least be notified about the controller’s identity, what kind of data will be processed, how it will be used and the purpose of the processing operations as a safeguard against ‘function creep’. The data subject must also be informed about his or her right to withdraw consent anytime. The withdrawal must be as easy as giving consent. Where relevant, the controller also has to inform about the use of the data for automated decision-making, the possible risks of data transfers due to absence of an adequacy decision or other appropriate safeguards.

The consent must be bound to one or several specified purposes which must then be sufficiently explained. If the consent should legitimise the processing of special categories of personal data, the information for the data subject must expressly refer to this.
There must always be a clear distinction between the information needed for the informed consent and information about other contractual matters.

Last but not least, consent must be unambiguous, which means it requires either a statement or a clear affirmative act. Consent cannot be implied and must always be given through an opt-in, a declaration or an active motion, so that there is no misunderstanding that the data subject has consented to the particular processing. That being said, there is no form requirement for consent, even if written consent is recommended due to the accountability of the controller. It can therefore also be given in electronic form. In this regard, consent of children and adolescents in relation to information society services is a special case. For those who are under the age of 16, there is an additional consent or authorisation requirement from the holder of parental responsibility. The age limit is subject to a flexibility clause. Member States may provide for a lower age by national law, provided that such age is not below the age of 13 years. When a service offering is explicitly not addressed to children, it is freed of this rule. However, this does not apply to offers which are addressed to both children and adults.

As one can see consent is not a silver bullet when it comes to the processing of personal data. Especially considering that the European data protection authorities have made it clear “that if a controller chooses to rely on consent for any part of the processing, they must be prepared to respect that choice and stop that part of the processing if an individual withdraws consent.” Strictly interpreted, this means the controller is not allowed to switch from the legal basis consent to legitimate interest once the data subject withdraws his consent. This applies even if a valid legitimate interest existed initially. Therefore, consent should always be chosen as a last option for processing personal data.

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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 08:57 #12788

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that's my copy and pasting gone to hell. :cheer:

Nice:For example, in an employer-employee relationship: The employee may worry that his refusal to consent may have severe negative consequences on his employment relationship, :whistle: :evil:

how the DWP got social media savvy :whistle: :cheer:
www.civilserviceworld.com/articles/feature/%E2%80%98it-can-really-bring-life-work-we-do%E2%80%99-%E2%80%93-how-dwp-got-social-media-savvy
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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 09:00 #12789

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you can copy past with the keyboard jobber use CTRL+C to copy and CTRL+V to paste and if its your keyboard thats messed up you can do it with the mouse just highlight the text then right click and select copy and same for paste where you want it
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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 09:02 #12790

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Cheers i am aware of that, thanks.
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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 10:28 #12792

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The worrying thing thou @TheFinnster, of how many 'sheepoles' with just sign anything that is place under their noses and wave their 'GDPR Consent' a side. :huh:

Also @TheFinnster the in the link "Art. 17 GDPR Right to erasure (‘right to be forgotten’)". Do you know how much the DWP can keep hold information on a claimant? It says on the Art-17-GDPR, D)

" for archiving purposes in the public interest, scientific or historical research purposes or statistical purposes in accordance with Article 89(1) in so far as the right referred to in paragraph 1 is likely to render impossible or seriously impair the achievement of the objectives of that processing; or"

gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/

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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 10:57 #12795

This was mentioned to me at my CC interview the other day, using social media. I told her yes I look at job vacancy related groups on facebook and apply if anything suitable. But... while I'm not exactly telling lies, I do use a jobsearch group on facebook but under a pseudonym. I use this fake account for anything which is public on facebook. If a job opportunity seems legit I will contact the person in private on my real facebook account.
My real account I never make public posts anywhere, and my profile is so air-tight that anyone wishing to find me on there will only find a photo of a cat (not my cat should anyone ask) as my profile pic and nothing else whatsoever.

Few employers take me seriously: I’m 56, a credit risk due to high debt, can’t drive and therefore dependent on public transport which means I cannot pursue jobs with shift patterns outside the bus or train times.

A history of agency temping jobs makes running a full five-year history check for potential employers too demanding. A degree in literature and philosophy makes me over-qualified by not being very vocational.

My god that is almost me to a tee.. apart from the only degree I have is in bullshite and evading the debt collectors!
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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 11:16 #12796

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"My god that is almost me to a tee.. apart from the only degree I have is in bullshite and evading the debt collectors!"

I see you have been to the "University of Life" then @T-F. "The best university is the university of life'. Henrique Capriles Radonski"

www.brainyquote.com/quotes/henrique_capriles_radonsk_470072
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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 11:21 #12797

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Do you know how much the DWP can keep hold information on a claimant? It says on the Art-17-GDPR, D)

seems a bit of a gray area Dude

(e). kept in a form which permits identification of data subjects for no longer than is necessary for the purposes for which the personal data are processed; personal data may be stored for longer periods insofar as the personal data will be processed solely for archiving purposes in the public interest, scientific or historical research purposes or statistical purposes in accordance with Article 89(1) subject to implementation of the appropriate technical and organisational measures required by this Regulation in order to safeguard the rights and freedoms of the data subject (‘storage limitation’);

"no longer than is necessary for the purposes for which the personal data are processed"

who decides how long is necessary ?

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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 11:36 #12798

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My guess is every 6 years after last claim ends.Banks do it HMRC do it so imagine dwp fall into same herd. :)

"Few employers take me seriously: I’m 56, a credit risk due to high debt, can’t drive and therefore dependent on public transport which means I cannot pursue jobs with shift patterns outside the bus or train times."Thats me too! :cheer:
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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 12:15 #12801

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Quote: I was given no indication that I had a choice or that this decision was not mandatory. Such power-play strikes me as highly unethical and bogus. I feel intentionally misinformed.

Read more at: inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/universal-credit-smartphone-dwp-jobcentre-comment/

This playing mind games with people needs to stop. If we don`t have or WANT a Smartphone, that`s OUR choice, surely? There is NO UC regulation (or LAW) that states otherwise. This is all unnecessary fabrication and tactical bullying by work coaches who should only be making sure claimants have access to the internet in whichever form that takes. This man HAS home internet, a tablet and a basic phone. He doesn`t NEED a Smartphone. Any law court or Tribunal would throw this out and everyone should be aware of that.
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"There is NO UC regulation (or LAW) that states otherwise."

Totally correct Comply and they will have to suck this up. :cheer:
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So does this mean work coaches will be demanding you sign up to facebook and instagram?
Because I have no intention of having one.
The wc wants you to have one so they can spy on you, checking to see if you posted your holiday photos on it.
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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 12:43 #12806

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Hi Catwoman that what i am also trying to find the A-Z out.

I see no way legally speaking how anyone can be forced into using any type of website just because some jobsworth at joke shop feel its a great idea.

A bit like their lunatic nonsense of
"Any job is a good job :whistle: :evil: :cheer: "

"The wc wants you to have one so they can spy on you, checking to see if you posted your holiday photos on it."
They surely would Catwoman.
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Doubt thats gona happen unless you give them your facebook user ID witch im sure you wouldn't have to, seems like that would be an invasion of privacy
and you can always set your facebook profile to private so strangers can't see
I don't use any social networking platforms myself never will, its all a data harvesting scam and they have been caught sharing your data illegally and trying to influence elections.


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They can still gain access to info from social media sites without even being signed upto or signed into themselves.

I have friends on Facebook of who i can see pics of them ect albeit limited info.But i dont even use facebook.Just having their name is enough to gain access to 'some' pics.

It's all another way i think they just want t control make things difficult for people.
Them at joke shop and gov just can't accept that the jobs we have left in the economy cant feed a mouse or clothe an ant.And should just accept it.But they won't.


Good point finnster:data harvesting scam and they have been caught sharing your data illegally and trying to influence elections.
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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 12:54 #12809

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I have friends on Facebook of who i can see pics of them ect albeit limited info.But i dont even use facebook.Just having their name is enough to gain access to 'some' pics.

You sure there profile is set to private though jobber ?

I cant be sure as i dont use it but i was led to believe once a profile is set to private only people on your friends list can get in to it i even seem to remember being given links to profiles in the past only to be blocked from gaining assess to anything.
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Social Media Usage while on Universal Credit? 11 Jan 2019 13:40 #12811

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I cant be sure as i dont use it but i was led to believe once a profile is set to private only people on your friends list can get in to it i even seem to remember being given links to profiles in the past only to be blocked from gaining assess to anything.
If you've correctly set your privacy settings then all they can see is your profile picture if they did a search of your name. That's why I don't have my ugly mug on my profile pic! Also be wary of and friends who have public profiles, anything you post on their page can be seen by everyone. Those friends I have on my ignore list so I don't see anything they post but can contact them privately should I wish.

If you do use facebook, I highly recommend F.B. Purity. If it wasn't for this add-on I would've ditched facebook years ago. www.fbpurity.com/
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