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Adzuna Child of Monster 01 Apr 2018 21:08 #6758

Recruiter Contracts & Deals

www.recruiter.co.uk/news/2018/03/contracts-deals-12-16-march-2018

Job search engine Adzuna has been awarded the contract to replace the UK government’s job search platform Universal Jobmatch, with its new service rolled out across the country this summer.
A simpler registration process is set to be introduced, while the free job posting process for employers will also be streamlined.

I would contend that these are additional reasonable grounds to justify not signing up to, or using, Universal Jobmatch, as of immediately.
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Adzuna Child of Monster 13 May 2018 08:20 #7459

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Have been doing some Research into "Adzuna" All is not as it looks;
They do a lot of recording and storage of your Data;

Have a look at this site linked to Adzuna,And Be Very Careful what info you enter, should you sign
up to "Find A Job Service".

lifehacker.com/valuemycv-analyzes-your-resume-and-estimates-your-earni-1706134886

And Another Site Warns Not to Use, Above Site, Humm what are DWP Up to ?

www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/40b203/do_not_use_valuemycv_data_fishing_for_info_and/
YNWA: You'll Never Walk Alone
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Adzuna Child of Monster 13 May 2018 12:06 #7462

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For one application I made, you had to go to the Adzuna site and upload your CV to get a valuation of salary which then had to be typed int online application
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Adzuna Child of Monster 13 May 2018 13:02 #7463

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For what it`s worth, I don`t thing there will be anyway around this site whether we use it through joke centre plus or by being diverted to it from other sites. Not using it at all is an option, of course, but we have yet to find out where we stand on that relating to our claim and what we can and can`t give access to. I, like many others just want this circus to stop and be allowed to look for a job without worrying that each time I attend a job centre I feel nervous about it. The whole system is now a control freak and people can`t be expected to function normally within it if an atmosphere of tension is always there.

moogs wrote: upload your CV to get a valuation of salary

I`ve seen that on the Adzuma home page moogs. So if we upload our CV, it then evaluates what we are worth in terms of wage? Which jobs we might apply for or what?
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Adzuna Child of Monster 13 May 2018 14:32 #7464

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For me, it was a compulsary field in the application form.

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Adzuna Child of Monster 13 May 2018 15:57 #7465

“Those whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad”.

Well the last couple of posts make me mad.

Moogle- Are you honestly saying that you signed up for this ValueMyCV scam that is supposed to automatically process your CV to determine how much you are worth to a potential employer.

Paul posted a link to a description of how it works. I, and others, have posted numerous links to documents and reams of information on how any organisation making decisions based on automated processing of personal data is illegal.

The law, and even the DWP itself, tells the organisations that are supposed to be replacing UJM that automated data processing is now illegal. That’s why UJM had to go before the new laws came into force, for God’s sake.

Did your adviser respond to what you told him/her at your last sign-on appointment?

CoD - Despite promising less than a week ago to keep your mouth shut and your imagination under control, here you go again, spouting off on another hissy-fit about stuff you neither understand, grasp or bother to educate yourself on despite trying to make it as easy for you as possible to inform yourself. All you are asked to do is read the bloody stuff before pushing your own slant on it. Is that asking too much?

I’m sure Paul’s post with the bucket was his attempt at humour. It was not intended that you stick your head in it, but…….
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Adzuna Child of Monster 13 May 2018 17:27 #7466

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Did you read my post? That application was months ago long before you joined this site.

The adviser is ok for me to just have a look at the new site.

Her view once she's been given the official line to take is anyone's guess..
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Six days of the week it soils,With its sickening poison -
Just for paying a few bills! That's out of proportion...
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Adzuna Child of Monster 13 May 2018 19:04 #7469

I read both posts. You posted them today.

First you posted:
“For one application I made, you had to go to the Adzuna site and upload your CV to get a valuation of salary which then had to be typed int online application”

All it tells me is that you made such an application.

Then, after arousing CoD to a state of ecstatic anxiety, you posted:
“For me, it was a compulsory field in the application form”

No indication here that you did not make the application.

You go on to tell us what you told your adviser but failed to add what your adviser told you which was, as it turns out, she couldn’t care less, no fixed view.

It did not occur to me for a moment that you would be referring to an event that may or may not have taken place well over 6 months ago.

Neither did it occur to me that your last signing on appointment was well over 6 months ago and that you still await your advisor’s views, opinions, instructions or ‘advice’.

It might also have been reasonable to expect that you would have made some attempt at assuaging CoD’s resurrected anxiety by explaining to her that nobody forced you into doing anything that you did not choose to do over six months ago or that you are still to suffer any adverse effects from it..
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Adzuna Child of Monster 14 May 2018 12:59 #7480

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Benefit Bolshie, I understand that you post a lot of useful information and siting data protection and other stuff that supposedly protects us from acting upon anything the job centre ask of us to use or carry to out instruction. What I don`t understand is your frequent outbursts at me and others when we ask a question or reply in a way that may not be `by the book`. I said in my post above about Find a Job:

"Not using it at all is an option, of course, but we have yet to find out where we stand on that relating to our claim and what we can and can`t give access to"

So given Find a Job is new and we are all doing our best to try and find out if it`s any use, or if we will be mandated to use it, I don`t think discussing the fears that we have surrounding it can be waved off by thinking we can just use the data protection laws against it. I`m not saying that can`t be done, but come on.....how many claimants will challenge it if it comes down to months of continuous stalemate with a work coach? Leading (not always) to making life that bit worse (and there I go again (scaremongering) when past experiences tell us that exactly what will happen and like yourself, me and everyone on this forum will do their very best to use what legality we have to justify not signing up to Find a Job, it will take good preparation for each job centre visit when we show our job search through other sites and have to keep justifying why we don`t/won`t use FAJ by stating "because the data protection act sais I don`t need to". How long will it take a nasty work coach to make what started out a good day into a prolonged battle of wits before we end up a jibbering wreck?


Oh I forgot...that`s just me. :unsure:
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Adzuna Child of Monster 14 May 2018 14:48 #7488

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comply or die wrote:
What I don`t understand is your frequent outbursts at me and others when we ask a question or reply in a way that may not be `by the book`
It appears BB has been to the same diplomacy school as most jobcentre work roaches.... :kiss:
Flotsam: People who are considered to be worthless or to have been rejected by society.
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Adzuna Child of Monster 14 May 2018 17:02 #7498

comply or die wrote:
Benefit Bolshie, I understand that you post a lot of useful information and siting data protection and other stuff that supposedly protects us from acting upon anything the job centre ask of us to use or carry to out instruction. What I don`t understand is your frequent outbursts at me and others when we ask a question or reply in a way that may not be `by the book`. I said in my post above about Find a Job:

"Not using it at all is an option, of course, but we have yet to find out where we stand on that relating to our claim and what we can and can`t give access to"

So given Find a Job is new and we are all doing our best to try and find out if it`s any use, or if we will be mandated to use it, I don`t think discussing the fears that we have surrounding it can be waved off by thinking we can just use the data protection laws against it. I`m not saying that can`t be done, but come on.....how many claimants will challenge it if it comes down to months of continuous stalemate with a work coach? Leading (not always) to making life that bit worse (and there I go again (scaremongering) when past experiences tell us that exactly what will happen and like yourself, me and everyone on this forum will do their very best to use what legality we have to justify not signing up to Find a Job, it will take good preparation for each job centre visit when we show our job search through other sites and have to keep justifying why we don`t/won`t use FAJ by stating "because the data protection act sais I don`t need to". How long will it take a nasty work coach to make what started out a good day into a prolonged battle of wits before we end up a jibbering wreck?


Oh I forgot...that`s just me. :unsure:


My frequent outbursts at you are the result of your determination to ignore and rubbish facts and evidence that I and others have spent time and effort collecting and collating for your convenience.

You have obviously not read or tried to understand any of it. You go off at the least opportunity to peddle the same uncorroborated nonsense based on your own unfounded imaginary fears.

The posts that we are discussing here are from yesterday, two from Moogle and one from you. Moogle started off saying that he had to make an application for something via Adzuna and ended by saying he did not have to do so at all. Turns out Adzuna had not even had any sort of contract with DWP at the time he claims this non-event took place.

Not to be put off by the facts you waded in with your now well rehearsed rant about Find a job, which wasn’t even mentioned by Moogle.

I don’t claim to know what claimants will or won’t challenge, don’t know how you can either. All I can do is present then with facts and legal argument that will encourage and enable them to do so if they so wish. The rest is up to them.

The alternative is to choose to go along with your approach and stick with what a work coach tells them to do, be it right or wrong. In other words you are suggesting that they take your user-name literally and COMPLY OR DIE.
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Adzuna Child of Monster 14 May 2018 17:06 #7499

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comply or die wrote:
What I don`t understand is your frequent outbursts at me and others when we ask a question or reply in a way that may not be `by the book`
It appears BB has been to the same diplomacy school as most jobcentre work roaches.... :kiss:

Work coaches are not required to attend diplomacy schools but they are required to regularly attend training courses. On those training courses they are taught how to brow-beat, ‘persuade’ claimants to do what they tell them to do. The lengths they go to in order to ensure compliance is usually dependant on the claimant’s confidence, courage and ability to challenge what is being asked of them, or proposed to them. You’ll never beat them unless you learn to play them at their own game.

I’ve been a negotiator for most of my working life, trained by the best. I learnt a trick or two too. I tried diplomacy and polite requests to get CoD to refrain from spouting nonsense in this instance but it’s like water off a duck’s back.

I’m not a lawyer, but by way of example, consider this:

I am in a situation where I require representation. I ask for you to represent me. You do your utmost and gather facts and evidence that make my case fool-proof in everyone’s eyes except my own. You are unable to get through to me despite your best efforts and diplomatic niceties. Not only that but I am making the prosecutors case for the other side better than they can make it themselves. Your advice to me would be that all I had to do was keep my mouth shut, but I keep on, and on, and on.

What would your next move be? Dump me or get bolshie with me for my own good?

I’m afraid CoD is one of those who, not content with doing nothing in the hopes of an easy ride, but supplies the ammunition to the other side and offers to hold the gun steady while they shoot her.

Anyway, I have no objection to you practicing what your school of diplomacy taught you. I would be the first to congratulate you should you succeed.
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Adzuna Child of Monster 14 May 2018 17:18 #7502

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Just for the record I am not a he.
And I choose to ignore your rants.
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Adzuna Child of Monster 14 May 2018 18:07 #7504

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BB wrote: I’m afraid CoD is one of those who, not content with doing nothing in the hopes of an easy ride, but supplies the ammunition to the other side and offers to hold the gun steady while they shoot her.

Not too sure about that BB. I`ve managed to `do nothing in the hope of an easy ride` for as long as I can remember and it`s never found me in a position where I can`t speak to work coaches by their first names. In fact, my job centre have been hot and cold over the years, but I can`t say (with the exception of one bad experience that was purely my own doing) never had to cover my back with anything other than common sense. Of course, I will use any means of protection I feel is required to persuade those who say I must obey, to look at their own guidance on it. But if that guidance doesn't say I can opt out of using Find a Job, then arguing constantly that I won`t use it won`t stand me in good favour at future interventions. Fair enough. I may not want a war on my hands for failing to follow procedure, but I know I won`t be the only one on here or in the UK, who will feel likewise.

I don`t want people to think they should build a barrier between themselves and their paymasters, but remember to be careful out there because there is always a price to pay.
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Adzuna Child of Monster 14 May 2018 18:36 #7505

Moogle, I should probably have checked up on your gender. Sorry
I didn’t expect you to do anything but ignore my rant. You’ve ignored everything else.

CoD. I don’t expect we’ll ever see eye to eye on how to conduct the struggle against the common foe. Best of luck doing it your way.
I’ll end this exchange here. Got better things to be going on with.
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