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Has anyone here had any experience of Sector-based Work Academies? 10 Aug 2018 02:02 #9659

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When I signed on yesterday my work coach told me about Sector-based Work Academies and asked if I’d be interested in one. He said that it was voluntary and that many people who went on them got employed by the employers they did it with. He said that I wouldn’t have to sign on or do job searches while I was on one, and that there is a guaranteed job interview at the end of it. I told him that I’d rather not go on one at the moment, and he said that was ok.

Has anyone here had any experience of Sector-based Work Academies? Would it be wise for me to go on one at some point in the future, or do they leave you vulnerable to being sanctioned if you take a day off due to illness or are late in arriving in the morning etc.

On paper they sound ok, assuming that they do lead to proper work experience etc. But I’m worried that they might just be another way to get you sanctioned.
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Has anyone here had any experience of Sector-based Work Academies? 10 Aug 2018 10:25 #9660

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Hi Tufty,

"voluntary and that many people who went on them got employed by the employers they did it with"



Although i haven't been myself to any of these 'schemes 'yet, dont buy that sales pitch unless you are under the age of 30 with time on your side and there is actually something very specific as to what they are suggesting you may find useful.99.9% of the time its just another herding process and people get dragged into a system of low paid temporary or zero hour contacted work.They do their best to dress it up as something else.

You could ask joke shop for a list of proven successes of people being placed into 'full time work' and for a list of employers who are effectively signed up to these schemes.


You can go sick tufty but be prepared for them to invent every excuse under the sun to mess with your benefit claim in one way or another.Hell! they do that even when things are per 'normal'. :whistle: :evil:



Time and experience has made me cynical. :) :whistle: :evil:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/sector-based-work-academies-employer-guide/sector-based-work-academies-employer-guide
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Has anyone here had any experience of Sector-based Work Academies? 10 Aug 2018 11:48 #9662

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One thing to bear in mind about SBWA is that once you have started you can't just walk away and quit if you dont like it or it will effect your benifit entitlement something worth thinking about.
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Has anyone here had any experience of Sector-based Work Academies? 10 Aug 2018 13:39 #9663

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Thanks Finnster. I'm over 30 and in my early 50s so from what you say it looks like only young people might get any benefit, if any, from doing SBWAs. It's a pity the job-seeking environment is geared towards only young people--or so it seems.

The next time my work coach mentions SBWAs to me I'll do as you suggest and ask him for a list of people that got jobs from it, and a list of the employers who use it.
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Has anyone here had any experience of Sector-based Work Academies? 10 Aug 2018 14:27 #9664

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Might be worth looking for opportunities in your area Tufty where work experience is offered (and expenses paid) if you can find anything that interests you which you can counter with your coach? I was in my job centre today and a board was set up with lots of `Work Experience` opportunities to choose from. I read it and got the feeling this is where people are at now of a `certain age` who might be pushed into things we`d rather not, so look for something more aligned to our interests.

Being in your early 50`s puts you at a disadvantage because although there may be some good jobs still out there, sadly they won`t be offered to us because of the prejudices that still happen, like age discrimination, disability discrimination or skills not meeting their specific requirements. I`ve accepted this now and don`t care what my coach tells me. I`m a realist and will happily float my boat along the river in terms of managing to find things I can manage to do (within reason) and sacrifice a few times when I feel I must `obey` to keep the wolves from my door.

Mentally, I think if we all (as benefit claimants) plan ahead and keep inventing ways to mitigate the harm or the demands placed upon us, we will manage to save some sanity.
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Has anyone here had any experience of Sector-based Work Academies? 11 Aug 2018 01:31 #9667

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Comply, I think I’ve probably exhausted looking for work experience opportunities. I gave up looking a few years ago after seeing that these sorts of things always seem to go to younger people. It’s easy for employers to deny they are being ageist at the recruiting/job interview stage because it can’t be proven that their rejecting you is down to ageism. If challenged by some age discrimination committee (if such a thing exists) all they have to say is that you didn’t have the right experience or that you performed badly in the interview.
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Has anyone here had any experience of Sector-based Work Academies? 11 Aug 2018 08:40 #9671

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Comply wrote "Mentally, I think if we all (as benefit claimants) plan ahead and keep inventing ways to mitigate the harm or the demands placed upon us, we will manage to save some sanity."

The above is exactly how it is Comply, i am multi skilled in technical type industries and been in and out of work for 10 years; this all boils down to over supply of people /labour and all the economic devastation effect that we are all feeling now because of it.

The day the rot set in was when the SSP club/ Tories begun to encourage the 'work for nothing mentality' they tried to dress this up as people having or lacking a ''work ethic' hows that worked out for them then? answer millions all over the country working for as near to next to nothing as one could get and also hardly paying any tax into the system as wages too low and signing on as well to top up their bloody rents.One of the richest economies in the western world my arse! one of the largest false ones.

more so if your in the 50 + age group and haven't been lucky enough to have either paid off your mortgage etc.

For a lot of poor sods out there privately renting, will be having one hell of a hard time of it,if unemployed, will be stuck for ever if wages remain low and the nature of jobs in this country remains in the shelf stacking, van driving box packing sectors. Agency's are loving this, just look at every website on the net and thats whats predominantly on offer with wages to match thanks to the sharks taking their cut for a bloody phone call to company who refuse to hire people direct. :evil:

Our biggest industry of the modern age AMAZON and all that goes with that. :whistle:

Yes Tufty ask the roach or provider company what i suggested "You could ask joke shop for a list of proven successes of people being placed into 'full time work' and for a list of employers who are effectively signed up to these schemes."and i am betting the list will be littered with pound-land,McDonald's and pizza hut is another hot job from the joke shop,seasonal work,maybe the zoo if you love animals,gregs,lets not forget sports direct where you can run yourself ragged for £7.50 or whatever mini wage is now but...but.... you can still sign on :) :cheer: :evil:



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Has anyone here had any experience of Sector-based Work Academies? 11 Aug 2018 09:14 #9679

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Might be worth looking for opportunities in your area Tufty where work experience is offered (and expenses paid) if you can find anything that interests you which you can counter with your coach? I was in my job centre today and a board was set up with lots of `Work Experience` opportunities to choose from. I read it and got the feeling this is where people are at now of a `certain age` who might be pushed into things we`d rather not, so look for something more aligned to our interests.

Being in your early 50`s puts you at a disadvantage because although there may be some good jobs still out there, sadly they won`t be offered to us because of the prejudices that still happen, like age discrimination, disability discrimination or skills not meeting their specific requirements. I`ve accepted this now and don`t care what my coach tells me. I`m a realist and will happily float my boat along the river in terms of managing to find things I can manage to do (within reason) and sacrifice a few times when I feel I must `obey` to keep the wolves from my door.

Mentally, I think if we all (as benefit claimants) plan ahead and keep inventing ways to mitigate the harm or the demands placed upon us, we will manage to save some sanity.

Some very good points there Comply; This shows up the bloody Madness of Increasing the Retirement age, In my View Retirement should be Lowered to 60,
Give the Young A Chance in Life, After all over 50 you are on the Scrap Heap, And when you reach My Age. :whistle: ......................
YNWA: You'll Never Walk Alone
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Has anyone here had any experience of Sector-based Work Academies? 11 Aug 2018 09:38 #9682

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Paul wrote: This shows up the bloody Madness of Increasing the Retirement age

Couldn`t agree more Paul. They have pushed back that lifeline for millions of people who, like myself, are always fighting to stay on ESA and having to justify it, while jobs are shrinking before our eyes and as jobber rightly said, those jobs that remain for the likes of us are all agency stuff or short lived temp jobs.


Tufty, look at charities in your area that are NOT on job centre plus books. There can be places that will happily pay for you to attend a few hours or more and even offer a cuppa! Older people`s activities, disability groups, befriending charities etc...and more. All you need to do is look them up and send them an email or get their phone number and make a few calls expressing an interest. That`s what I did when my coach asked me to look at doing a few hours if I could contact care homes or organisations that look for people of my age to get some much needed help. The Home library service is also a good one where you go with a driver as a volunteer to deliver books, audio books, CD`s DVD`s etc to people`s homes who are registered with the service. Usually these are run by the RVS (Royal Voluntary Service) and they pay for any ID or background checks free. I met with them over a year ago, but I couldn`t carry boxes or bags up flights of stairs or into high rise flats due to my pain problems, so I swerved that to take up another position at an organisation (Charity) that offers people with mental health, disability or just want to come along and meet other people who use the facilities.

I do a few hours a week but can go in anytime I want to. It`s all data protected too as members details are never shared with anyone else and members sign a form to prove this. Doing something like this also reduces your 35 hour work search requirements. So you can argue that the volunteering you are doing reduces that conditionality, which your coach has to consider.
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